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YUP yore right . Beat me up! :crybaby:

Actually looking at the original poster's location he is in a populated area too. I didn't look up repeater coverages for you either of your areas. I just know in the rural western states you need some power to reach out and touch someone.
 
Yeah, and also we don't have mountains in CT, Just hills. 600-800ft. My instructor lives in CA and was at ARRL for a year on an assignment. He gave us a hard time about our "mountains". They built a repeater and put it on top of a 10,000 mountain and used HT's to hit it.

MSGGrunt has the same terrain as me.

KLF wii have trouble with an HT in NH with those big rolling hills and probable lack of repeaters.
 
I just started studying for my HAM test and know basically nothing about the radio's, bands,etc. Will a HAM radio let you hear the same things that a scanner will?
 
I just started studying for my HAM test and know basically nothing about the radio's, bands,etc. Will a HAM radio let you hear the same things that a scanner will?

I posted this image link on our local club forum. This will give you an idea of the "bands" (radio frequencies) and their use. Scanners and some amateur radios allow you to receive many of the audible frequencies used.

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well, well, I'm impressed. I am just fooling around with my new Yaesu 7800. I am using my 1/2 wave 2m antenna (Comet SBB5) and tonight, I got on a repeater and I did some tests and I found that I was able to reach the repeater from about 130 miles away with only 5W of power. Now, that is along the coast so some was over the ocean and both of us were fairly high up, something like 500' or so, so that helps a lot I'm sure. Still 130 miles on 5 W ain't bad. I was told there was some noise at 5W but I was still understandable. At 10W it was much better and there was very little difference between that signal and that at 50W, both loud and clear.

I was even able to figure out some menus and functions so they must be simple and well designed... Yea Yaesu! :)
 
Eric,

Give this piece of software a try:
http://www.g4hfq.co.uk/ftb7800.htm

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You can download it for free and try it out. You just won't be able to save or download to the radio. I used it on my two radios.

Regards

Alvaro
 
thanks Alvaro, that is good software. Highly rated. I may get it. They have the cables cheap on ebay I believe.

There is also free control software for a number of models out there, but I haven't been able to find any freeware for the 7800 yet, though.
 
The radio will not be a portable. I just don't see that for what I do I will use anything outside of the vehicle. The money isn't so much of a concern I just don't want to pay for more radio that I will use. What are the benefits of the 70cm/2m? I will not skimp on the antenna as well. I will not be in Keene as I will be away with the military, though have wheeled there before. Who is going? Not to get off topic.
I didn't see where anybody had answered this. Many repeaters operate on 440MHz (70cm). What seems to be typical operating procedure around here is that everybody uses 440MHZ for repeater communication then shifts to 2M for simplex communication. In theory the longer wave length should have better range for direct rig to rig communication since longer waves propagate better over uneven terrain. Since repeaters are generally used line of sight the higher frequencies can be used freeing up bandwidth in 2M.
 
I didn't see where anybody had answered this. Many repeaters operate on 440MHz (70cm). What seems to be typical operating procedure around here is that everybody uses 440MHZ for repeater communication then shifts to 2M for simplex communication. In theory the longer wave length should have better range for direct rig to rig communication since longer waves propagate better over uneven terrain. Since repeaters are generally used line of sight the higher frequencies can be used freeing up bandwidth in 2M.

there is another thread going on the advantage of dual band (or not).
somebody was saying that 440 repeaters are not that common in the boonies. Is that not the case in NV then?
 
Blue tooth and HAM?
sick.

will my cell ear piece work with it? or will I have to buy a Yaesu model?
 
Here's the thing, I betcha none of the Yaesu engineers (product development at least) are off-roaders or have done any SAR-related work. (I hope I'm wrong)

Of course this is strictly my opinion, but also an observation based on my experience. And I'll clearly state this is constructive criticism, because I have 3 Yaesu radios (FT-8900r [quad-band mobile]; FT-7100 [dual-band mobile]; and XV-7R [tri-band weatherproof portable/HT] )

If I was going to introduce the built-in capability of Bluetooth, I'd have focused on its compatibility with BT-based GPS devices. Why do you say? To link in positioning info for the other MISSING capability that should be built in and not require an external TNC.... APRS.

"In its simplest implementation, APRS is used to transmit real-time reports of the exact location of a person or object via a data signal sent over amateur radio frequencies. In addition to real-time position reporting capabilities using attached Global Positioning System receivers, APRS is also capable of transmitting a wide variety of data, including weather reports, short text messages, radio direction finding bearings, telemetry data, short e-mail messages (send only) and storm forecasts. Once transmitted, these reports can be combined with a computer and mapping software to show the transmitted data superimposed with great precision upon a map display."
ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Position_Reporting_System

WiRES-ready is a neat technology solution, yet I'm quite skeptical about its practical use out in the field.

Now, if you could not only communicate with spoken information, but additionally have the ability to transmit accurate data on positioning and such without having to manually look it up (handheld GPS unit, or actual map orienteering), then that would be a slam-dunk winner in my book. Not exactly a basic capability that would be used by the average operator, agreed.

Take for example the role of being the coordinator of a trail event with a vehicle amount of small to large numbers. If someone was broadcasting with APRS enabled, I could have a laptop in my rig showing not just where my GPS location was on the trail, but where the other rigs are as well (again, if they're broadcasting with APRS info). I've never been on any of the large trail events out west that I read about in all the monthly rags, but I can only imagine the logistical-hell and tactical challenge of keeping track of all the rigs in your convoy (breaker,breaker):rolleyes:. Anyone with that experience, please feel free to comment with knowledge learned.

The same principal also applies with Search and Rescue (SAR) missions/events. The key is, technology has to be there in the HT's and mobiles out in the field.

The life-critical concept of the word "Accountability" has been ingrained into my being from my training and experience as a firefighter. And the key to accountability is knowing where everyone is, as accurately and up-to-date as possible without filling the operations channel with traffic of constant status reports. That's just not feasible when handling operations on a fireground. And remember, our guys aren't trainied ham-operators, though you hear quickly those that are when the broadcast.

At the end of the day, accountability of rigs/people out on the trail is without question important, and APRS capability built into our radios (or mod'd of course) would be a powerful improvement. Being able to track my small club's crew of rigs while out on a day run with my laptop, at the least its pure geek fun. But I'll end my diatribe with one last thought.

As many have said, a key reason they put HAM radios in their rigs is to reach someone...or anyone, when out in the sticks and you're need for help (disabled vehicle, injury, whatever). Factor that IF you do reach someone, and have to direct them in to your position, how accurate do you think you'll be in that challenge? Or would I want my full set of positioning data going out on each broadcast via APRS to search organizations or authorities that would give them a clear positioning lock? Knowing that when someone gets lost and the given the terrain/conditions, the amount of resources needed to do a ground-pounding search is no small task and a large resource challenge, the most accurate information possible is worth....well, it's priceless.

Thanks for your patience and opportunity to get this off my chest. Maybe it'll be food for thought that'll benefit someone. Possibly a Yaesu engineer passing through.... :doh:

Cheers. :beer:
 
Tnx Sean;

Looks like I'm going to have to do more study on APRS.

...
 
Kenwood

Makes an APRS handheld and Mobile radio with built in TNC. Sorry I did not read the entire post as I am multi multi tasking right now.

We use APRS in SAR. We do not depend on Findu.com to track our vehicles. We have software on a local PC set up in the comm van connected to a gain antenna. We transmit APRS packets that contain our call sign, Lat, Long,elevation and speed. This data is displayed on a map on the PC. The sheriff is able to track us with ease.

My .02

JB


Here's the thing, I betcha none of the Yaesu engineers (product development at least) are off-roaders or have done any SAR-related work. (I hope I'm wrong)

Of course this is strictly my opinion, but also an observation based on my experience. And I'll clearly state this is constructive criticism, because I have 3 Yaesu radios (FT-8900r [quad-band mobile]; FT-7100 [dual-band mobile]; and XV-7R [tri-band weatherproof portable/HT] )

If I was going to introduce the built-in capability of Bluetooth, I'd have focused on its compatibility with BT-based GPS devices. Why do you say? To link in positioning info for the other MISSING capability that should be built in and not require an external TNC.... APRS.

"In its simplest implementation, APRS is used to transmit real-time reports of the exact location of a person or object via a data signal sent over amateur radio frequencies. In addition to real-time position reporting capabilities using attached Global Positioning System receivers, APRS is also capable of transmitting a wide variety of data, including weather reports, short text messages, radio direction finding bearings, telemetry data, short e-mail messages (send only) and storm forecasts. Once transmitted, these reports can be combined with a computer and mapping software to show the transmitted data superimposed with great precision upon a map display."
ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Position_Reporting_System

WiRES-ready is a neat technology solution, yet I'm quite skeptical about its practical use out in the field.

Now, if you could not only communicate with spoken information, but additionally have the ability to transmit accurate data on positioning and such without having to manually look it up (handheld GPS unit, or actual map orienteering), then that would be a slam-dunk winner in my book. Not exactly a basic capability that would be used by the average operator, agreed.

Take for example the role of being the coordinator of a trail event with a vehicle amount of small to large numbers. If someone was broadcasting with APRS enabled, I could have a laptop in my rig showing not just where my GPS location was on the trail, but where the other rigs are as well (again, if they're broadcasting with APRS info). I've never been on any of the large trail events out west that I read about in all the monthly rags, but I can only imagine the logistical-hell and tactical challenge of keeping track of all the rigs in your convoy (breaker,breaker):rolleyes:. Anyone with that experience, please feel free to comment with knowledge learned.

The same principal also applies with Search and Rescue (SAR) missions/events. The key is, technology has to be there in the HT's and mobiles out in the field.

The life-critical concept of the word "Accountability" has been ingrained into my being from my training and experience as a firefighter. And the key to accountability is knowing where everyone is, as accurately and up-to-date as possible without filling the operations channel with traffic of constant status reports. That's just not feasible when handling operations on a fireground. And remember, our guys aren't trainied ham-operators, though you hear quickly those that are when the broadcast.

At the end of the day, accountability of rigs/people out on the trail is without question important, and APRS capability built into our radios (or mod'd of course) would be a powerful improvement. Being able to track my small club's crew of rigs while out on a day run with my laptop, at the least its pure geek fun. But I'll end my diatribe with one last thought.

As many have said, a key reason they put HAM radios in their rigs is to reach someone...or anyone, when out in the sticks and you're need for help (disabled vehicle, injury, whatever). Factor that IF you do reach someone, and have to direct them in to your position, how accurate do you think you'll be in that challenge? Or would I want my full set of positioning data going out on each broadcast via APRS to search organizations or authorities that would give them a clear positioning lock? Knowing that when someone gets lost and the given the terrain/conditions, the amount of resources needed to do a ground-pounding search is no small task and a large resource challenge, the most accurate information possible is worth....well, it's priceless.

Thanks for your patience and opportunity to get this off my chest. Maybe it'll be food for thought that'll benefit someone. Possibly a Yaesu engineer passing through.... :doh:

Cheers. :beer:
 
I have 2 FT8800R , and an ICOM W32 ( very old radio ) . 8800 is about as good as you

can do for a high power radio . Smash a diode inside and it transmits on non ham bands .

8800 control mic is essential , you must assign functions , such as band switch and CTCSS tone
options to the 4 user buttons . radio buttons are hard to use , instead use the mic buttons .

I had to buy the ICOM , yeasu are too small to use . W32 is hard to figure , they all are .
Both 8800 and W32 xmit on 462 FRS , if ya mod it .

Wifi will take over . It will do only GUI , no voice . a small mcu with DDR2 and a HDD
makes a complete computer . The GUI will allow you to push buttons next to LCD ..
ICONs and graphcs next to keys , are your way of communicating .
You will compose and xmit a msg in 3 seconds . push a button beside an ICON
of a truck , hit it twice for TRUCKs , then a button beside a graphic of a road that goes
strate into the sunset . now mod that with other butttons and transmit .
Receiving radios , see a movie clip . Humans can pick up the significance in
mili seconds , from the video . Video is all binary tokens , the graphics are all
common to all the databases , so radio xmits very little . Its a form of compression .
Clever databases can send a DVD movie in 300 mb , where you see 4.6 GigaBytes .
So now you know MPG-2 is very UN Clever compression .
Im a systems programmer , and 30 years ago , i put an image in my head , about
a driver , goin thru NYC at 80 mph , he wants to turn off-ramp after he clears most
of the city . Finally he sees a sign with skyscrapers on the R , but oversized hous
on the L . He turns off-ramp here .
You dont need details , only common graphics , and size comparisom , and
color , one behind or on top of the other ...
PC is actually more difficult to use for the text translation , mcu must do .
Someday ill write a Forth O.S. for Nintendo DSL . No text allowed , 100% GUI .
KC7CC Tucson AZ [ mark . pine86 ] gmail com
 

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