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[expeditionswest]

The fuel prices are a real issue right now if you are trying to sell a big SUV. I am trying to sell a 454 suburban for my uncle and you can forget it! Even in an area that loves big SUV's like AZ. (I know, a Suburban is crap, no need to comment )

I am considering a 2002 or 2003 UZJ100 now. I might start looking in earnest in a month or so. (yes John, I have gotten over the fact that they are too big and a little bland in the style department IMO). I need a replacement for my faithful Trooper, and the UZJ or Xterra are the only ones that really fit the bill.

 

[calamaridog]

Way to come around Scott

Too big? Come on.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I am considering a 2002 or 2003 UZJ100 now. I might start looking in earnest in a month or so. (yes John, I have gotten over the fact that they are too big and a little bland in the style department IMO). I need a replacement for my faithful Trooper, and the UZJ or Xterra are the only ones that really fit the bill.

I knew you'd see the light one day.

Gas now has even BECKY AND ME reconsidering. I've been bidding and pursuing 100's like mad over the past 2 weeks. Now, we might buy my mechanics Mazda Miata. We're losing our minds!
(Either that or my youth hormones are coming back )

 

[Kanab]

I need a replacement for my faithful Trooper, and the UZJ or Xterra are the only ones that really fit the bill.

Now I'm really confused. Can you explain how either a UZJ or an Xterra are the only ones that really fit the bill? The only thing I see that they have in common is 4 wheel drive. Just trying to undersand your logic.

 

[expeditionswest]

Now I'm really confused. Can you explain how either a UZJ or an Xterra are the only ones that really fit the bill? The only thing I see that they have in common is 4 wheel drive. Just trying to undersand your logic.

Kanab,

Maybe this will help you understand my logic a little better. This is just my opinion. ;p

UZJ:

Benefits-
Superior Reliability
Superior Durability
Good Capability off-highway
7 Passenger Capability
Refined Drivetrain and passenger comfort

Negatives-
A little too big for my taste (80% my first 15 four wheel drives had a wheelbase under 103", and were all considered compact)
A little too bland for my taste, but a few accessories can easily change the look
There are more capable offerings in stock form
The interior in not wash and wear (i.e., dogs, muddy mtn. bikes, home depot, etc. Very expensive leather, etc.

Xterra:

Benefits-
Much faster (over 3 seconds 0-60)
Better fuel economy
Lower cost
Near hose-out interior
Factory locker and traction control
Larger tires
Good reliability
More capable in stock "off-road" trim

Negatives-
Lacks UZJ refinement and luxury
Lacks UZJ durability (large axles, HD engineering, etc.)
Pretty common (no funk factor)


Oh, and the 2002 4Runner is under consideration too.

 

[expeditionswest]

Oh and I guess I can go into my logic on vehicle selection.

I am looking for a vehicle which meets the following criteria, and luxury IS NOT a consideration. I spend 100+ days a year in the bush, and could care less about leather or dual climate control.

Summary: I need a 5-7 passenger SUV to replace my aging, and excellent Isuzu Trooper. It needs to be able to travel 3.0 trails (on a 1-5 scale), and be loaded to the hilt with 5 adventurers and all of their gear. In addition to OHV travel, I also do rock climbing and trekking expeditions everywhere with my team. It also needs to be able to cruise down the highway at 85, and be comfortable and powerful. My Tacoma is now only a two passenger expedition vehicle, with over 30k in sponsor supplied equipment and modifications. It can only be used on expeditions due to the replacement cost, and it is not a daily driver.

In order of priority:

Reliability: I drive long distances on adventures, into Mexico, etc.

Capability: It must be able to drive rough terrain en route to photo shoots, magazine article assignments, rock climbing and hiking routes, etc. For example, Fins and Things, FR42, John Bull and others should be within the trucks capability with minor modifications.

Comfort: Refined drivetrain and resonable passenger comfort for 5 people

Aftermarket Support: I want to be able to put a few, select modifications that years of experience have shown to be necessary, like sliders, good shocks, etc.


So Kanab, to answer your question, the 2005 Xterra, 2002 4runner and 2002-2003 Land Cruiser are the only vehicles that satisfy my requirements, and within my budget (I will be paying cash for the vehicle)

 

[hank14]

Sounds like Jukelemon's 98 100 series is what you need. You'll have a hard time convincing anyone here that a Nissan will outperform or outlast a factory locked 100 series cruiser, and his already has the right mods.

 

[expeditionswest]

Way to come around Scott

Too big? Come on.

I have spent a lot of time on the trail with UZJ's, and their only limitation is the size. Driving between trees, along shelf roads and rock outcroppings, etc.

The weight also affects performance on the trail, it is amazing to watch Doron's heavy machine traverse a loose slope, the dirt giving way and the rear end sliding. Them my little truck just cruises through it. On hill climbs, all that mass is fighting the available traction. It is just a law of physics

But, I am over all of that, and recognize that there are FEW real SUV's left to buy where reliability and capability are combined. If I buy a UZJ, I will just add sliders and buy a good buffer

 

[expeditionswest]

Sounds like Jukelemon's 98 100 series is what you need.

Thanks so much for the suggestion on the rig Hank. However, I am looking for a 2002-2003 model with low miles, as this will be a (really) long term vehicle.

You'll have a hard time convincing anyone here that a Nissan will outperform or outlast a factory locked 100 series cruiser, and his already has the right mods.

Nissan outlast a Land Cruiser, No...

Outperform in stock form, well ;p


But, there is a lot more to this decision than capability alone, or we would all be driving Jeep Rubicons or FJ40's.

 

[calamaridog]

Scott,

I hear you on the weight and size. Certainly factors on some trails and surfaces. Width? Yes, I've scratched the crap out of it. Don't have time for buffing though I've been thinking about Line-Xing the sides or getting some magnetic brush guards for the narrow trails.

2002 4runner? Kinda small for 5 adults unless you don't like the 3 people in the back seat

Worried about the interior? Husky liners and endura seat covers from Great Covers (http://www.great-covers.bigstep.com/generic67.html)

The Nissan sounds like it has some potential for your needs...

 

[Kanab]

Oh and I guess I can go into my logic on vehicle selection.

I am looking for a vehicle which meets the following criteria, and luxury IS NOT a consideration. I spend 100+ days a year in the bush, and could care less about leather or dual climate control.

Summary: I need a 5-7 passenger SUV to replace my aging, and excellent Isuzu Trooper. It needs to be able to travel 3.0 trails (on a 1-5 scale), and be loaded to the hilt with 5 adventurers and all of their gear. In addition to OHV travel, I also do rock climbing and trekking expeditions everywhere with my team. It also needs to be able to cruise down the highway at 85, and be comfortable and powerful. My Tacoma is now only a two passenger expedition vehicle, with over 30k in sponsor supplied equipment and modifications. It can only be used on expeditions due to the replacement cost, and it is not a daily driver.

In order of priority:

Reliability: I drive long distances on adventures, into Mexico, etc.

Capability: It must be able to drive rough terrain en route to photo shoots, magazine article assignments, rock climbing and hiking routes, etc. For example, Fins and Things, FR42, John Bull and others should be within the trucks capability with minor modifications.

Comfort: Refined drivetrain and resonable passenger comfort for 5 people

Aftermarket Support: I want to be able to put a few, select modifications that years of experience have shown to be necessary, like sliders, good shocks, etc.


So Kanab, to answer your question, the 2005 Xterra, 2002 4runner and 2002-2003 Land Cruiser are the only vehicles that satisfy my requirements, and within my budget (I will be paying cash for the vehicle)

OK, I understand what your looking for. You might add a 2003-4 SR5 4runner to your list, you could do a lift and sliders. You get the LC V8 and transmission and all of the latest traction controls for $21-24K. Your not going to get a 2002-2003 LC for less then $32 - 38K. You can buy a new 2005 V8 4runner with the VVTi V8 for $28-29K and do the lift and sliders. What does a new Xterra sell for?

 

[expeditionswest]

Kanab,

Thanks for the feedback! I agree that the new 4Runner is a great vehicle too, it is just the appearance that keeps me away (just a personal thing). My preference would be to have a 3-4 year old Land Cruiser as opposed to the new 4Runner.

And since I am going to be paying cash for the vehicle, I keep thinking conservative, which leads me to the 2002 4Runner, which can be had for about 20k with low mileage.

The new Xterra with off-road package sells for about 27-28,000 after negotiating.

So after more thought and research (xterra resale value mostly), I am set on a 2002 4Runner or a 2001-2002 Land Cruiser. Time to start looking...

2002 4runner benefits: Lower cost, smaller size and better economy. Slightly more "trailable".
2001-2002 LC benefits: Larger and more comfortable. longer service life and greater durability. Downside is the initial investment (as is true, even when new).

I figure now is a good time to buy one, with the fuel prices the way they are. Resale is dropping across the board on SUV's, and there is a gluttony of inventory.

 

[Jukelemon]

UM, I really did not intend to start another 100 v X thread ( : I just want my damn truck sold.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

It's decided. Last night. And Scott's not gonna agree because I know he thinks my 100 should be preserved for what I built it for....but here's what we decided:

We're not buying anything. My family convinced me that there's nothing I could buy that would keep my butt out of my current 100. They're right. Unless I spend another $75 and make a clone, my butt's going in the 100. The $25K is getting tucked away for when I hit the 200,000 mile mark. What I'll do then? Who knows? Meanwhile, having the Taco has helped already rewgarding mileage. So that's our choice......for now.

 

[Jukelemon]

So there goes my deal ) :

Sorry to hear that Shotts. But I understand.

 

[expeditionswest]

UM, I really did not intend to start another 100 v X thread ( : I just want my damn truck sold.

All of this activity should help attract even more attention to your cruiser

How many miles?
Location?
Asking Price?

(I did not see this info referenced in the thread...)

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

So there goes my deal ) :

Sorry to hear that Shotts. But I understand.

Oooo, I luv that dark green of Greg B's, AND I wanted something with that lower mileage. I know if both sat in the driveway I'll still get into mine. The though of spending $25K to get something with 25,000 less miles than mine just didn't add up. I think we can use that dough more effectively later. (Considering my 100 is already 4 years old)

 

[Jukelemon]

Scott:

It was not mentioned in this thread because it is mentioned in the For Sale thread. I posted here to find out some value quotes/thoughts. Please see my thread if you would like more information.

Thx

 

[expeditionswest]

Thanks Jukelemon, I will go check it out (though I will not be buying unti late Sept.)

John,

You made the right choice. You need a regular daily driver, like the Miata. Keep the mileage off the 100 and use it for the really tough trails. The truck is not new anymore, and is built (at great expense) for serious trails. You SHOULD be the first guy to run the Rubicon in a 100. Why not?

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Thanks Jukelemon, I will go check it out (though I will not be buying unti late Sept.)

John,

You made the right choice. You need a regular daily driver, like the Miata. Keep the mileage off the 100 and use it for the really tough trails. The truck is not new anymore, and is built (at great expense) for serious trails. You SHOULD be the first guy to run the Rubicon in a 100. Why not?

Let's go. I just need to bypass that first MASSIVE rock that dented Trailex's door. Is that the Gatekeeper?