1.25 solid or 2x2 box?

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Mace said:
Ed, I think the key to what you are talking about here is the difference in materials, not the thickness..

If you gun drilled the GM D60 tie rod would it be harder to bend?
I believe yes. Think of it this way: 1/8" 1 x 1 angle is stiffer than 1/4" 2" strap if both are the same material.

Mace said:
your uppers and lowers are Chromo right?
Uppers, yes, lowers no - DOM
 
Rock Taxi said:
I believe yes. Think of it this way: 1/8" 1 x 1 angle is stiffer than 1/4" 2" strap if both are the same material.

Uppers, yes, lowers no - DOM
but that only works out because you are using a 1" thick section (in profile) and comparing it to a 1/4" thick section..

figure the 1/8" angle has a Gussett
 
LOL! That's kind of my point.

It seems like gun drilled, tubing, a straw is more rigid than solid of the same dimension.

Oh well, I'm no expert or engineer and am probably wrong.

Ed
 
Here is a link to a bender.

Look at the comparison to what the max sixe tube can be bent (not pipe) vs the maz size barstock.

barstock is always smaller in Diameter.

http://www.pedrick.com/Choose.htm
 
Go with the 2x2x3/16 or 1/4in square. No problems then. No bending issues. No worries. check out this guy

http://www.claytonoffroad.com/ He usese 2x2x1/4in wall tubing for his suspensions

The stiffness(modulus of elasticty) of a material has nothing to do with the yeild point of a material. You can change the yeild point of a piece of tubing. You can not change the stiffness of the same piece of tubing with out modifiying the geometry some how. All steel has the same modulus of elasticity(30 Mpsi), it is considered a physical constant of the materail just like density of a material.

Stew
 
"well ther is no way you can bend this rod by hand it seems to be plated or something I got it from a scrap place I go to it was threaded on each end"

IS this like a piece from a hydraulic ram? chromo plated, how big of a piece?
 
it might be its about 4 foot long and i got 2 lengths .I decided to use 2x2 for lowers and the solid is getting tapped and I am putting heims in both ends
 
NO NO, if its over 40" (48" would be ideal) and hardened chromo like a ram rod, and super super striaght, I GOT CASH OR will make you what you need. I need those pieces.

OR at least one.

Any pics?

GOT A PM
 
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cruzer said:
The stiffness(modulus of elasticty) of a material has nothing to do with the yeild point of a material. You can change the yeild point of a piece of tubing. You can not change the stiffness of the same piece of tubing with out modifiying the geometry some how. All steel has the same modulus of elasticity(30 Mpsi), it is considered a physical constant of the materail just like density of a material.

Stew

The modulus of elasticity is directly proportional to the yield stress of the material E=yield stress/yield strain.

All steel does not have the same modulus of elasticity. It is a material property specific to the material's composition, there are different types of steel, depending on what alloy they are the modulus will be different for each one, 28,000-30,000 ksi is a common range for steel.


Max torque/max stress is inversely proportional to moment of inertia, which is a function of the cross-section/geometry of the shape. Therefore a higher I, the lower the stress.
All solid material of the same diameter/outside dimension will have a higher moment of inertia. It's the strength to weight ratio of solid to tube that makes tube seem stronger. A hollow shaft compared to a solid shaft of the same material and diameter and loaded in the same manner will see 15% more stress but have 36% less weight.
 
To answer the question, the moment of inertia for your 1.25" dia. rod is .1198 in^4 and 2" x 2" x 1/4" wall is .9115 in^4

I'd go with the tube it will resist bending and torsion better than the rod.
 
woody said:
Yer right, .120 is likely sufficient for uppers....using the .375 meant tapping the material direct so no inserts to deal with....


Then turn the OD Down in a taper to the middle to cut the weight and increase coolness points. :flipoff2:

Mark
 

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