Wanted WTB: 13bt Bellhousing and Flywheel
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I'll help you. You will not find a 13B-T Flywheel. They are discontinued by Toyota and you would be lucky to find an owner of an engine willing to separate the flywheel from it.
I know this because I tried and tried. The only thing I didn't do was call junkyards in Australia for possible takeouts, but I even tried the guys on this list who supply parts out of Japan.
The good news: A 3B flywheel fits just fine (make sure you know if it is 6-bolt or 8-bolt). The flywheel is a little smaller but there are plenty of 13B-T owners out there (myself included) that run them with 3B flywheels and have never had any slippage.
Try G&S Cruiser Parts (no affiliation). That's where I got mine.
Hope that helps,
Craig.
I know this because I tried and tried. The only thing I didn't do was call junkyards in Australia for possible takeouts, but I even tried the guys on this list who supply parts out of Japan.
The good news: A 3B flywheel fits just fine (make sure you know if it is 6-bolt or 8-bolt). The flywheel is a little smaller but there are plenty of 13B-T owners out there (myself included) that run them with 3B flywheels and have never had any slippage.
Try G&S Cruiser Parts (no affiliation). That's where I got mine.
Hope that helps,
Craig.
I think I read on here somewhere that the 1HZ flywheel is the same as 13BT (8 bolt) - I have never tried it though. May also be the same as a 3BII - since those were used in mines maybe you could get one from ENS.
It's likely that the 1HZ and 13B-T flywheels are the same dia and may bolt up to a late 13B-T (8 bolts) etc but I thought there is a difference in the ring gear in re to the size and or number of teeth between 1H# and B series. Have to look into that...
If you need a 13B-T bellhousing (cast aluminum type) we have em in stock.
$200 including the Tach pick up.
You will need reinforcing wings if using aluminum bellhousing too. Have them too $50 set
Have backing plates available too.
Have 6 bolt 3B flywheel in stock too, no 13B-T flywheels.
We also have the earlier B series cast iron type bellhousings which some have used when putting 13B-T engines into pre 85 production Cruisers.
If you need a 13B-T bellhousing (cast aluminum type) we have em in stock.
$200 including the Tach pick up.
You will need reinforcing wings if using aluminum bellhousing too. Have them too $50 set
Have backing plates available too.
Have 6 bolt 3B flywheel in stock too, no 13B-T flywheels.
We also have the earlier B series cast iron type bellhousings which some have used when putting 13B-T engines into pre 85 production Cruisers.
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Thanks for quick responses.
70sguy,
Let me tell you what I have and maybe we can figure out what will work best. I have a 6 bolt auto flywheel due to the fact my 13b-t had an auto behind it before I got it, so this is where I need to start from. From what I gather from your post it would be nice to use the aluminum bellhousing, but only if I was able to locate a 13b-t flywheel, is this correct? If I use the 3b flywheel then I might as well use the 3b steel cast bellhousing, is this correct? Since I have a 6bolt flywheel I am guessing a 1HZ or later model 13b-t flywheel would not work since they are all 8 bolt. I am also doing a budget build so I am concerned about costs as well. What I am thinking I would need is the 3b cast bellhousing and 3b flywheel as well as a 3b clutch. On your website you have an air box from a 70 series, if you think the air filters are available in the states I would like to buy that as well. I am thinking I may need motor mounts, I at least need one, I will neet to check the other.
Please let me know what you think would work best for my situation, as this is the first 13b-t install/conversion I have done.
Do you happen to have an auto trans that would fit the 13b-t? Are the tranny's that fit electronic?
Thanks for your help
Scott Pitcher
70sguy,
Let me tell you what I have and maybe we can figure out what will work best. I have a 6 bolt auto flywheel due to the fact my 13b-t had an auto behind it before I got it, so this is where I need to start from. From what I gather from your post it would be nice to use the aluminum bellhousing, but only if I was able to locate a 13b-t flywheel, is this correct? If I use the 3b flywheel then I might as well use the 3b steel cast bellhousing, is this correct? Since I have a 6bolt flywheel I am guessing a 1HZ or later model 13b-t flywheel would not work since they are all 8 bolt. I am also doing a budget build so I am concerned about costs as well. What I am thinking I would need is the 3b cast bellhousing and 3b flywheel as well as a 3b clutch. On your website you have an air box from a 70 series, if you think the air filters are available in the states I would like to buy that as well. I am thinking I may need motor mounts, I at least need one, I will neet to check the other.
Please let me know what you think would work best for my situation, as this is the first 13b-t install/conversion I have done.
Do you happen to have an auto trans that would fit the 13b-t? Are the tranny's that fit electronic?
Thanks for your help
Scott Pitcher
Big 'ole A440. No problems with the install or the automatic in general.
I'm not an automatic kind of guy and I had and extra H55F laying around so that's why I did the swap.
Craig.
I'm not an automatic kind of guy and I had and extra H55F laying around so that's why I did the swap.
Craig.
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The target bellhousing has nothing to do with the Flywheel. 3B and 13B-T both use the same aluminum bellhousing after oct 84. In my experience it should depend what year cruiser you are putting this into. Go Aluminum for post oct 84 production, Cast iron for pre oct 84.
There is a few degree difference in the clocking of the bellhousing which doesn't sound like much but it translates into the tranny/case and sitting at a noticably different angle in their relation to the engine. If you are fabbing all engine and tranny mounts and locating it all from scratch this may not be such a problem. If you are using the stock tranny x member, say on an 85 FJ60 for instance, to locate the engine and dictate engine mount placement, with a Cast iron bellhousing you will be trying to figure out why the enging is tilted to one side slightly. Same deal if you are trying to use Alum bellhousing on a pre 85 FJ60.
Clear as mud?
We don't have any B series Auto trannies. Craig has the only one I know of.
It's an A440F non electronic unit just like in the FJ62. If you were swapping an FJ62 that would make life really easy for you.
I think we have some 3B mounts we cut out of a BJ70 frame in the shop somewhere if you need some.
There is a few degree difference in the clocking of the bellhousing which doesn't sound like much but it translates into the tranny/case and sitting at a noticably different angle in their relation to the engine. If you are fabbing all engine and tranny mounts and locating it all from scratch this may not be such a problem. If you are using the stock tranny x member, say on an 85 FJ60 for instance, to locate the engine and dictate engine mount placement, with a Cast iron bellhousing you will be trying to figure out why the enging is tilted to one side slightly. Same deal if you are trying to use Alum bellhousing on a pre 85 FJ60.
Clear as mud?
We don't have any B series Auto trannies. Craig has the only one I know of.
It's an A440F non electronic unit just like in the FJ62. If you were swapping an FJ62 that would make life really easy for you.
I think we have some 3B mounts we cut out of a BJ70 frame in the shop somewhere if you need some.
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Thanks again for all the info. What I am installing this 13bt into is a 79FJ40, so the engine and tranny mounts will be fabricated to fit the application. With this info which bellhousing do you think would be the best? Which flywheel will work with my 6 bolt crank? Do you have a clutch available? If you have some 3b mounts available that would be great, I know I will need them for sure. Did you happen to know if I can get the airfilters for the 70 series airbox stateside?
Right now I have 2 A440F's and an H55F with a H series input shaft and a new B series input shaft that I will swap in if I decide to use it behind the 13bt. I hadn't considered the A440F behind the 13bt partly because I didn't know it would fit so easily, and the other reason is I really like the H55F. So, at this point I think I will still use the H55F behind the 13bt and save the A440F as the tranny behind my 12ht that I will hopefully be purchasing shortly for my 79FJ55.
Thanks for your time
Scott
Right now I have 2 A440F's and an H55F with a H series input shaft and a new B series input shaft that I will swap in if I decide to use it behind the 13bt. I hadn't considered the A440F behind the 13bt partly because I didn't know it would fit so easily, and the other reason is I really like the H55F. So, at this point I think I will still use the H55F behind the 13bt and save the A440F as the tranny behind my 12ht that I will hopefully be purchasing shortly for my 79FJ55.
Thanks for your time
Scott
In that case I would go with the cast 3B bellhousing with 6 bolt 3B flywheel and 3B clutch.
Get a new clutch and PP from Toyota. We don't keep em on hand.
The BJ70 air box takes the same filter and the FJ62/fJ80
Shoot me an email to info@gscruiserparts.com in re to the parts and shipping etc.
Got Cast Bellhousing
Got BJ7 Air boxes
Got BJ70 frame mounts w/ chunk of frame rail attached
Will have to check on the flywheel, clutch fork and release bearing etc.
Will also look for a backing plate.
You got a starter?
Get a new clutch and PP from Toyota. We don't keep em on hand.
The BJ70 air box takes the same filter and the FJ62/fJ80
Shoot me an email to info@gscruiserparts.com in re to the parts and shipping etc.
Got Cast Bellhousing
Got BJ7 Air boxes
Got BJ70 frame mounts w/ chunk of frame rail attached
Will have to check on the flywheel, clutch fork and release bearing etc.
Will also look for a backing plate.
You got a starter?
hey there, i did the 13bt converison into my 40s a few years back.
-i used the stock h55f with a cast iron bell housing from a early 2b motor.
-i used the 6 bolt 3b flywheel and clutch for a bj42.
-i didnt have to modify anything and it worked perfectly and still going strong.
i am actually just about to upgrade to a 14bt as my 13bt is running out of steam and i found a good 14bt cheap.
since this is an 8 bolt crank does it sound right using a 3bII flywheel and the same bj42 clutch setup with my same belhousing and gearbox??
i dont want to use the 14bt flywheel as it is bigger and will touch the inner ribbs of my bellhousing.
will a 3bII flywheel mate with a 3b clutch setup and bolt up to a 14bt?
any comments are appreciated!
james
-i used the stock h55f with a cast iron bell housing from a early 2b motor.
-i used the 6 bolt 3b flywheel and clutch for a bj42.
-i didnt have to modify anything and it worked perfectly and still going strong.
i am actually just about to upgrade to a 14bt as my 13bt is running out of steam and i found a good 14bt cheap.
since this is an 8 bolt crank does it sound right using a 3bII flywheel and the same bj42 clutch setup with my same belhousing and gearbox??
i dont want to use the 14bt flywheel as it is bigger and will touch the inner ribbs of my bellhousing.
will a 3bII flywheel mate with a 3b clutch setup and bolt up to a 14bt?
any comments are appreciated!
james