AltFuel Veggie oil OR Bio????
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>>i havent heard talk of BTUs in my research but MPG was identical with diesel WVO or BD
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Well, that answers the question and its good news. Thanks.
Has anyone personally approached restaurants about the availability of their used oil? Do they pay for pick up? Is giving the used oil back to the supplier a part of their contract?
Has anyone had experience with adding kerosene or gasoline to the SVO instead of heating in a separate fuel tank? A friend and fellow Criuiser owner tells me this will work. He has run diesels at his work using this "cut" mix.
BTW, new canola oil is just $1 Cdn per litre at SuperStore. Already cheaper than current diesel prices.
Bruce
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Well, that answers the question and its good news. Thanks.
Has anyone personally approached restaurants about the availability of their used oil? Do they pay for pick up? Is giving the used oil back to the supplier a part of their contract?
Has anyone had experience with adding kerosene or gasoline to the SVO instead of heating in a separate fuel tank? A friend and fellow Criuiser owner tells me this will work. He has run diesels at his work using this "cut" mix.
BTW, new canola oil is just $1 Cdn per litre at SuperStore. Already cheaper than current diesel prices.
Bruce
in terms of BTU ratios, i have heard BD is only about ~5% less than fossil diesel, not sure about WVO. keep in mind BD can also have better lubricationg properties and higher cetane ratings.
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Interesting, never heard about mixing a fosil fuel, could be a good thing as it would kill the organics in the system that or problematic.
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Radd Cruisers said:
Am I missing something, Rob? The point of the Webasto is so you don't need to plug in, ever.
I had a chat with the Espar rep at the Canadian Offroad Expo this weekend about this very concept and he thought that, with a valving change, you might be able to run an Espar off pretty cold veggie oil. Even if you couldn't, it would only mean a very small diesel tank to run the furnace for an hour before startup in the morning. Many of us do that already. Make sure your coolant lines run in a bundle with the fuel lines and you shouldn't need to flush the lines at shut down.
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I assumed a Webasto heater was a plug in circulating coolant heater, so it is a fuel fired heater.
Sounds like a great idea.
Also another good option to a pump to recirculate the fuel and keep it from getting too thick to move.
That was another issue for the colder climate folks, once the veggie oil got to say -20 I was wondering if you could even get this stuff to flow?
Great ideas, just what I was looking for.
Only down side of not flushing the lines with diesel I have read was the veggie organic properties that will start growing in the fuel system? So It has been said the system should be flushed prior to shut down.
Thanks Bruce and Peter.
Rob
Sounds like a great idea.
Also another good option to a pump to recirculate the fuel and keep it from getting too thick to move.
That was another issue for the colder climate folks, once the veggie oil got to say -20 I was wondering if you could even get this stuff to flow?
Great ideas, just what I was looking for.
Only down side of not flushing the lines with diesel I have read was the veggie organic properties that will start growing in the fuel system? So It has been said the system should be flushed prior to shut down.
Thanks Bruce and Peter.
Rob
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VTCruiser said:
there are actually some plant oils that are being researched that have a much better and higher cetane rating. I cant remember the plant oil being used in the last study I read (2 or 3 years ago) but it looked rather promissing. Only downfall was the oil was expensive to get.
Ive run mostly B20 in my diesels (which I sold and am now dieselless but hopefully not for long). I did notice some power loss but my fuel economy remained about the same. Also it didnt smoke much during startup. As for lubricating properties... depends on what research paper you read. Ive seen both sides of the arguement... some say it has just as good if not better lube as dino and other say it lacks. With what I was running I didnt see anything negative. One rig I ran with B20 for several thousand miles before I sold it.
As for now I am still between SVO and homebrewing some B100. Ive done a ton of reading on both.
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I wonder if it was Mustard Seed, that stuff was said to have very good cetaine ratings?
Radd Cruisers said:
it was some other plant oil... jubarow or something like that... hmm... let me search and see if i can find it.
might have been jojoba oil... just found this... yes that was it..
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3464
but I read it in popular science or one of those types of magizines.
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I wasn't really thinking about the injector pump and lines. They stay pretty cold even once you get the coolant up to temp. That might be a big hurdle for the flushless concept. As far as organic growth goes, it happens in dino diesel too. Believe me it sux big time. The good news is that its preventable by using an anti algae additive. If you wait to solve it after it happens, it'll cost you a couple dozen fuel filters, a new tank and about three times the additive. Really works the starter over too 
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I am starting off with an off the self 15 gallon rectangular tank that I will mount in the rear, not sure if I am taking the seat out or mounting it behind the seat, probably taking the seat out and mounting it on one side. However once my tests are complete I am making a custom tank, it will either cover the floor in the rear and allow for seat to be re-mounted but will make seat 4 inches higher or I will make one that fits on the side and takes up space in the wheel well cavity as well still allowing the rear seat to be utilized. These are just the ruff plans at that point check back with me in about 6 months for the final tank setup.
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MiniPigg said:
I am running B20 in one of my BJ70's (AXT turbo'd) and I noticed the engine is quieter and no change in performance. I am not 100 positive but I think I am getting better mileage as well. I do not think you would see any difference in the BTU factor or mileage on B20 maybe more difference on B100.
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Speaking of additives:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/09/14/germany.catfuel.reut/index.html
Purportedly, 20 dead cats will fill a 50 liter tank. That's taking "put a tiger in your tank" a bit far, don'tcha think?
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/09/14/germany.catfuel.reut/index.html
Purportedly, 20 dead cats will fill a 50 liter tank. That's taking "put a tiger in your tank" a bit far, don'tcha think?
Dogsled said:
man... we have a lot of cats and rabbits in the neighborhood....Things that make you go hmmmm?
