Vancouver Biodiesel Co-op

[canucksafari]

Saw a post about this on Delica.ca. Apparently their is no Carbon Tax on Biodiesel. I fired off a letter to them to find out more about it. Below is their response. So if you oil burnes want to give the MUD it to Big Oil and Gordie and his Carbon Tax and do something good for the environment, here is an opportunity. Think I will be buying a 45 Gal drum to mix with regular dino.

Hello Gabor,


Thank you for your interest. Sorry for the late response, I just returned from vacation.


We currently have 1 location in Vancouver at 360 Industrial (near Main and Terminal). We hope to open more in the future, but are focussed on the one location for now.


You can find out more on our websites which are currently being updated:
www.recyclingalternative.com
www.vancouverbiodiesel.org


Membership is a 1 time fee of $25 which includes a card for the cardlock and $10 annual coop fee.


Please come by for a visit and we encourage participation from associations and clubs. perhaps you can forward this info to your networks.


Please let me know if I can assist with any other information and feel free to contact me at any time.


Regards and many thanks,


J-M Toriel, MBA
Biodiesel Manager
Recycling Alternative
biodiesel@recyclingalternative.com

 

[Granite Grinder]

So this is B 100?
No fear of seals or hoses drying up (I have those fears).
I'd try running a 50% blend just to see how it feels.
GG

 

[Enigma]

What do you mean 'no carbon tax on bio-diesel', just on the oure b100 or all the varying mixtures?

 

[Enigma]

So this is B 100?
No fear of seals or hoses drying up (I have those fears).
I'd try running a 50% blend just to see how it feels.
GG

My last, and current, fill was on B50 from the Autogas at Marine and Byrne.

 

[canucksafari]

Biodiesel does not dry up seals and hoses - ULSD does that because it is the aromatics in regular diesel and LSD which keeps them pliable and from cracking. Biodiesel acts like a solvent. It really is the best fuel system cleaner. In higher concentrations -say B40 and higher - it will disolve natural rubber hoses and seals. I have even heard of natural rubber filler hoses which have been turned to mush by B100. I think Greg B also mention this once. If you plan on running B100, then I recommend you change out sany natural rubber in your fuel system. BTW, 1993 and after most manufacturers got rid of natural rubber seals. So if you IP was rebuilt from 1994 forward it likely has the viton type seals. My seals have all been done. Until I change out the hoses, I will run between a B20-B40 for the lube and combustion benefits.

As for the Carbon Tax, I haven't confirmed it. That was what was claimed on delica.ca. Like Jeff, when I filled up with B40 at autogas last weekend, the B40 and dino were only about 2 cents different. So obviously it looks like the provincial road tax portion is back on Bio and they are probably applying the carbon tax to it. If there is no carbon tax on Bio, I am sure it would be like the provincial government had done with the road tax. It was proportional to the amount of bio the diesel contained.

 

[Enigma]

Driving in to work this morning I spotted a f250 with this logo on it Next Energy Systems Inc - Home

I just opened the web page, but I get lots of errors on it and can't read anything. They seem to be a maker of bio diesel out of Port Coquitlam.
Anyone heard of them?

 

[Vanny]

Make the air cleaner with bio-diesel. Make people in lesser developed countries hungrier. I am still undecided if the benefits are better than the cost to our global society. I would guess that over 90% of the world has either rice or corn as the staple and we want to grow fuel on that land? I guess there is lots of money to be made, just not by those who need it.

 

[canucksafari]

People get biodiesel and biofuel terms mixed up all the time - mainly because of the media. Greg, one of the most effeicient producers of new oil for biodiesel are algae. Google it and you will see what I mean. It takes little water and land area for algae farm pools compared to what would be taken up by canola. On the other the media often talks of biofuel in terms of ethanol produced from corn or sugar cane. Ethanol production has increased the scarcity and costs corn and corn products. Also, it has been heavily subsidized by governements - especially the US. Countries like Brazil have reduced foreign fuel dependency by producing ethanol from sugar cane. On the flip side, the sugar cane plantations also have destroyed large tracks of rain forest. But then again, ethanol burns much cleaner and is also carbon nuetral.

I suspect that world food crisis has a lot more to do with commodities multinationals and futures traders (just like crude oil prices) than any real shortage. Companies like Cargill Cargill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia are so big they can artificially create shortages to increase prices: Cargill: Key Player in Global Food Crisis — Food & Water Watch

 

[Vanny]

On the flip side, the sugar cane plantations also have destroyed large tracks of rain forest. But then again, ethanol burns much cleaner and is also carbon nuetral.

With your world travels, I am sure you know how sugar cane is harvested. After the 'smoke clears' , is it really nuetral? I don't know.

I suspect that world food crisis has a lot more to do with commodities multinationals and futures traders (just like crude oil prices) than any real shortage.

My understanding is that the speculators are pushing up the price of these foods, much like they are oil prices. It isn't the current demand of corn/canola, it is the potenial demand driving the prices up. I heard the other day that if the production of these foods for fuels increase, the forestry industry in BC will boom again. No longer will the money makers be growing trees on private land for sale; they will all be shifting towards fuel crops. Less trees internationally is good for BC. Is it good for our environment?

I would like it to be known I am not a tree hugger. I build houses for a living. They cut them, I built them. I just think we have to find a healthy balance where as a global society we need to take care of each other(I know communism doesn't work, they forgot God). And not just in places where we as a nation have special interests.

Sorry about the high jack, just had to get it off my chest. I am done.

 

[canucksafari]

With your world travels, I am sure you know how sugar cane is harvested. After the 'smoke clears' , is it really nuetral? I don't know.

No problem with the hijack. The idea of the thread was to look at an alternative fuel option which might help people and the environment.

I am not in favour of ethanol fuels mainly because the land could be use to grow crops. True sugar cane is burned. However, it is more carbon nuetral than dino oil as the carbon released by burning is captured again when the next crop of cane is grown. Harvest of sugar cane is generally done by hand (bloody dirty and dangerous job). Ethanol from corn uses a lot more carbon inputs from fertilizer to the machinery for planting and harvesting. Of course, sugar cane production tends to be an export crop to satisfy the West's desire for sweets. It is controlled by large land owners (familes or corporations). Also, the work is mainly temporary - harvest time. For their populations, most countries growing sugar cane should be growing food crops rather than export crops. But that isn't what makes Western countries rich and supports our standard of living.

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