Tranny gurus w model transmissions whats the difrence urgent please help (1 Viewer)

[WckedMidas]

sorry for my grammar and spelling ahead of time. please help. Any info u can give me would make me so grateful to you guys and gals.


Okey whats the difrence on the w56 transmissions. i see there a . A<B<C<D models. mines got the the transfercase shifter on the transfer case. its like this one here

it doesnt have this setup

Ok i i dont have a pic of my trans. i forgot to take the dam thing before i left my buddys house a hour away from mine. Been a very frustrateing day. My truck is a 86. its got a junkyard motor. but im unshore of the the year the 22re is. motor swap was done befor i got it.


I got the old clutch and flywheel off the 5 speed trans i got used. Wasnt shore of year on the truck either.

My buddy whos a mechanic. orderd me a fly wheel and clutch kit. The new stuff. the pilot bearing the inner hole had like a 1/8th inch gap around the pilot shaft of my transmission. and the clutch spline hole. was smaller then my new trans has. Im guessing the new clutch kit i bought has less spline count. If i count the splines on my old clutch can one u guys tell me what model trans i have without a pic?
The 5 speed i have. has 21 splines on the old clutch if that helps.

Ps Im swaping my autotrans to the 5 speed. so i cant go off anything my truck had originaly considering it already has a junkyard motor in it. I got my clutch pedal asembly bolted in holes drilled, slave cyl installed. everything is ready for me to install the trans just need to figure out wich trans i have so my buddy can trade my parts back to the auto part wharehouse his garage orders from

 

[Sam Stewart]

http://www.marlincrawler.com/transmission/rebuilt-complete/w56-a

Scroll down on the page. There is a chart that shows the different W56 designations and input bearings needed for each.

 

[KLF]

I don't think "Input Bearing" is the same as "Pilot Bearing". I believe the Input bearing is the front bearing in the trans. For instance, if you do a Google search on the 6307N bearing, it is 80mm OD. That's not a pilot bearing, that's for sure.

AFAIK, all W-series trans are the same from the bell housing forward. Even the G-series are the same input shaft (I swapped a W56 for a G-series once, no issues). My clutch centering tool has worked with every install, same pilot shaft, same spline count, etc. The only trans that has a different clutch and flywheel is the R151F "turbo" tranny, the difference is with the diameter. Sounds like your friend bought the wrong stuff.

 

[Sam Stewart]

I don't think "Input Bearing" is the same as "Pilot Bearing". I believe the Input bearing is the front bearing in the trans. For instance, if you do a Google search on the 6307N bearing, it is 80mm OD. That's not a pilot bearing, that's for sure.

AFAIK, all W-series trans are the same from the bell housing forward. Even the G-series are the same input shaft (I swapped a W56 for a G-series once, no issues). My clutch centering tool has worked with every install, same pilot shaft, same spline count, etc. The only trans that has a different clutch and flywheel is the R151F "turbo" tranny, the difference is with the diameter. Sounds like your friend bought the wrong stuff.

That's correct. Sorry I didn't notice it said input bearing on the chart. I believe that ANY transmission from an R series engine should bolt up to the engine. The clutch kit that I bought from Marlin last year says it fits 79-92. They have a different part number for 92-95. I'm leaning towards the way KLF is thinking on this one. I think you got the wrong kit.

 

[WckedMidas]

parts guy told my buddy 21 spline clutch showed up as turbo trans. i unbolted it from a non turbo motor so im asuming it will bolt right up corect?" now right or wrong i need to use a stock flywheel with the 6 bolt holes. being my motor doesnt have the 8 hole flywheel.
So this means i buy clutch kit for a turbo and flywheel for non turbo. and the flky wheel i have to use is for a w series corect? i appreciate your responses i might have this shyt running tonight

 

[KLF]

If you get a turbo flywheel or pressure plate, the W56 bell housing won't fit over it. And a turbo clutch disc won't fit in the non-turbo flywheel.

When I get home if I have the energy I'll count the splines on my R151 turbo clutch disc.

You're over-complicating this.

All 22R-series flywheels are 6-bolt. The V6 flywheel is 8 bolts.

 

[WckedMidas]

Ok turkcs a 86 4runner 22re automatic. With a junkyard motor. Nobody happens to no the year of the motor. The 5 speed i got i forgot to find out the year of the truck. I figured it was a w56 guy selling it said w56. We orderd a fly wheel and clutch kits for a 86 with a 5 speed. flywheel wouldnt go on crank snout. THe little berring bushing u put in end of crankshaft. the inner diamiter hole was way way to big for the trans snout. The clutch was smaller spline then the transmission by to me what looks alot. It wouldnt even come close to slideing onto the transmission.

 

[KLF]

A 22RE is a 22RE. They are all the same, as least at the business end that you're working with. You really don't need to know what year the engine came from. Even the earlier "tall deck" engines will work with later W56 trans, I did this swap with my early '84. The crank is not specific to auto or manual trans, they are universal, so if the pilot bearing or flywheel is not fitting, you have the wrong parts.

We need pictures of the trans to make sure it's a W56. And please none of those fuzzy "sorry all I have is this $hitty cell phone" pics either. Measure the snout on the input shaft, and count the splines.

Did you happen to notice if there was a big hole in the bottom of the bell housing, with a rubber plug in it?

 

[WckedMidas]

trans is in pa with the truck i live in baltimore. My buddy took the old clutch flywheel exc this afternoon. i asked him have his kid take pics of the trans hopfully he does. Think his daughter mad at me i didnt get her a bday gift.

What i do no is this
8 and 7/8ths clutch disc.
21 splines dont no the diam of the shaft sorry.
38 and a hald inch long from front edge of bellhouseing to edge of rear output flange on transfercase
transfercase has the shifter
and trans has its shifter. i beleve its called the top shift setup?

question
the trans with transfercasae and the transshifter both in the transmission is called forward control type corect?

and nah i havent noticewd a rubber plug in the bottom. of the trans
I do no it was bolted to a 22 re when i yanked it out. of the other truck. and it wasnt a turbo truck.

 

[Sam Stewart]

trans is in pa with the truck i live in baltimore. My buddy took the old clutch flywheel exc this afternoon. i asked him have his kid take pics of the trans hopfully he does. Think his daughter mad at me i didnt get her a bday gift.

What i do no is this
8 and 7/8ths clutch disc.
21 splines dont no the diam of the shaft sorry.
38 and a hald inch long from front edge of bellhouseing to edge of rear output flange on transfercase
transfercase has the shifter
and trans has its shifter. i beleve its called the top shift setup?

question
the trans with transfercasae and the transshifter both in the transmission is called forward control type corect?

and nah i havent noticewd a rubber plug in the bottom. of the trans
I do no it was bolted to a 22 re when i yanked it out. of the other truck. and it wasnt a turbo truck.

If the shifter for the transfer goes into the top of the transfer, then it is a "top shift" transfer. If the shifter for the transfer is actually on the top (in the back) of the transmission, it is a "forward shift." I have one of each sitting at my house. I can take pics if you need for reference.

 

[KLF]

This is the W56 that I took out of my '87 (sitting on my home made tranny jack), it is "top shift":

This is the tranny part of my R151F "turbo" tranny, after I finished rebuilding it, prior to bolting on the transfer, this is "forward shift":

This is the transfer that is on the back of the R151F, it's actually the same case but you can see there is a block-off plate on the shifter hole and you can barely see the sift forks sticking out the front:

 

[WckedMidas]

im pretty shore parts guy gave me wrong stuff. mines the w56 in first pic. ide lay money on it.But parts guy keeps saying parts he gave are for it. im gonna have to take the hour drive and get photos. tomorow after work i guess. thats freaking hour drive.

 

[WckedMidas]

whats the difrence in 86 to 91 and 92 to 95 flywheels for the 22re motors? could this be my problem. Remember the motor was a junkyard motor that was put in befor i bought the truck and nobody happens to no what year the motor actualy is. is the 92 and latter flywheels.center hole smaller? or bigger or whats the difrence.

 

[modernbeat]

Aside from shifter locations, are there any practical differences between the W56 transmissions? Are there performance differences between the shifter locations? I noticed on the Marlin site that in '85 the SR5 got the top shift and others got a forward shift. Is that just because the top shift worked with bucket seats? Any other reasons, advantages or issues with the different W56 models?

 

[jynx]

I am by no means an expert but I do know the flywheel diameter for the regular 22RE was smaller thru 91. If you look at Marlins site they list two different diameters and the smaller is for early 4cyls. The V6, turbo and post 92 4cyl all got a slightly larger flywheel. They offer an upgrade for the earlier trucks that includes a larger flywheel and clutch. The thing is I am pretty sure the pilot hole diameter in all 22R cranks is the same, so unless you got a V6 pilot or a 20R pilot bearing, it should have worked. The V6 and turbo cranks may have had a larger pilot bearing, but I don't know.

As for shifter location, the forward shift cleared the seats because it was several inches further forward. If you look the t-cases that came as forward shift models they have a block off plate on them and can be converted to top shift cases with new rails. I don't think there is any difference internal to the case, just an ergonomic change to clear the bench seat without such a deep cut-out.

 

[WckedMidas]

im thinking that my motor is a 92 and latter model being the flywheel didnt fit the crank. and guessing the clutch kit is just totaly wrong. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm anyone tell me how to id the year of my motor by looking at the motor

 

[WckedMidas]

anyone no what color the wire is for backup lights in the harness for a automatic? and by chance the neutral safety switch wire colors? Dont realy need the safetty switch colors . considering theres already a button installed to fire the starter over . but it would be nice to hook up right. I got it running and driveing with the 5 speed. made some noises. they were rotational when it was moving in gear but not in neutral. tomorow. we figure out what the noise is hoping it just needs gear oil. Need to cut some sheet metal to cover the hole in floor i made for shifters. drill two holes in my console for bolts. The computer under the front of the console is that just for the auto trans? can i unplug and remove that computer. or do i have to keep it hooked up?

 

[WckedMidas]

 

[WckedMidas]

i found a site saying 80x90 or 75x90 wheight oil . wich is recomended can i use thicker and not hurt anything? What goes in transfercase same thing?

 

[cruiser88]

Big advantage to having topshift is in an event you aquire a Marlin box , your driveline isnt as long compared to my forward shift. My rear shaft at the diff is under a bind becajuse of the driveline angles however thats easily solved with a double cardan joint.