trailer cage - hoops - m101cdn

[alf]

How should I mount my my trailer cage:

1. weld each to 2" angle iron feet which then sits on the top rail

2. weld to 2" angle iron the run the entire length to which the far end hoop is welded to as well. This is a heavy option.

3. weld each hoop end to plates that then mount inside the tub in each corner.

4. weld a piece of 2" + ID pipe to the plates that permantly mount in each corner and accept the 2"OD hoops and secure with pins. Making for quick removal of cage. A bit tricky as everything must align perfectly and be lifted straight up or its not coming out. Could be more trouble than its worth.

Kick it around a bit.


cheers,

 

[2badfjs]

anyway you do it kevin, i would lay it out and have all your spreaders the same.
that way you'll be able to pull it all together and it will square itself up(if you know what i mean)
been thinking about this for awhile.
i would even run spreaders low, near the bottom of the hoops along the top or inside edge of the trailer along the side if you can, even 1.5" to take up less space down low.
and use 2" up high.

jim

 

[Walldog]

1. weld each to 2" angle iron feet which then sits on the top rail....

2. weld to 2" angle iron the run the entire length to which the far end hoop is welded to as well. This is a heavy option.

Kick it around a bit.

I have something similar to that for the rack system on my M101CDN.
Something on the lines of your "1", but the feet are formed into the uprights though and have a c-clamp style set up.

Another thought was to make a Can-Back style topper for the trailer. Weld in triangular pieces of 1/4 into each corner of the tub. These would be flush with the top rail. From that an angle would run the length of the tub and would be bolted into the triangle corners. The hoops would then be welded onto the angle. Same idea as "2", but I was thinking of using 1/8" and it would probably be 1-1/4" on the angle legs. I have this sketched up on paper and can try to get it scanned into a jpg this week-end.

 

[davegonz]

Nice...did you form those up yourself? Stainless?

 

[Walldog]

Nice...did you form those up yourself? Stainless?

Had a brake operator at work bend'em up. BIL did the welding.
Stainless? yes

 

[REZARF]

I would vote for bolting them to the tub using plates welded to the tubes. I think you will get great support, easier to line up, lighter, and if removed you don't have four small posts sticking up to get stuff hung up on.

I have seen it done this way on this rig before.... very stout configuration, just make a plate of different size underneath and sandwich the tub between the two.

Looking forward to seeing it.

Rezarf <><

 

[alf]

I have decided to mount the hoops on top of the rail in each corner.

I will fab up a triangle piece of 1/4" plate for each corner that will serve as a mounting plate to which the hoop leg will be welded. Another piece of plate will be welded perpendicular to the bottom of the triangle as a mounting flange. In this manner I can bolt through the side of the tub to secure vs bolting thru the top rail.

As everyone well knows the m101cnd top rails are full of Zebart I don't want to bolt through the top rail for this reason. I am already missing one plug and the stuff oozes out all the time and is quite a mess. Also I don't think bolting here would be strong enough.

The corner should be very strong as a side rail and back rail will be sharing the load.


kls

 

[REZARF]

I think it is a great idea, post up some pics when you knock it out.

Rezarf <><

 

[Walldog]

Another thought was to make a Can-Back style topper for the trailer. Weld in triangular pieces of 1/4 into each corner of the tub. These would be flush with the top rail. From that an angle would run the length of the tub and would be bolted into the triangle corners. The hoops would then be welded onto the angle. Same idea as "2", but I was thinking of using 1/8" and it would probably be 1-1/4" on the angle legs

I have decided to mount the hoops on top of the rail in each corner.
I will fab up a triangle piece of 1/4" plate for each corner that will serve as a mounting plate to which the hoop leg will be welded. Another piece of plate will be welded perpendicular to the bottom of the triangle as a mounting flange. In this manner I can bolt through the side of the tub to secure vs bolting thru the top rail.
kls

KLS,
OK between what I had sketched up and what you were thinking here is what I modeled up:
Not sure if it's what you are looking for or what I'm looking for at this point, but it's just thoughts 'visualized'.

I'm not sure if I like the hoop post to the outside corner as shown and the location of the bolt holes.....thoughts?



Wally

 

[alf]

Thats pretty close. However instead of welding in the corner gusset I was going to leave this area open. My trailer is already line-x'd so I don't want to weld in this area.

Instead I was going to add legs to the bottom of the top triangle plate that would go down into the tub on the inside. You would then bolt thru the side of the tub.

If you have a sec try drawing it up on cad for me

 

[Walldog]

...Instead I was going to add legs to the bottom of the top triangle plate that would go down into the tub on the inside. You would then bolt thru the side of the tub.

If you have a sec try drawing it up on cad for me

How's this?

 

[alf]

That works for me but I think mine will all be welded together vs two seperate pieces.

Good work Walldog.

You gonna due that fancy brake press work on the top triangle?


Kevin

 

[cbmontgo]

I have something similar to that for the rack system on my M101CDN.
Something on the lines of your "1", but the feet are formed into the uprights though and have a c-clamp style set up.

Another thought was to make a Can-Back style topper for the trailer. Weld in triangular pieces of 1/4 into each corner of the tub. These would be flush with the top rail. From that an angle would run the length of the tub and would be bolted into the triangle corners. The hoops would then be welded onto the angle. Same idea as "2", but I was thinking of using 1/8" and it would probably be 1-1/4" on the angle legs. I have this sketched up on paper and can try to get it scanned into a jpg this week-end.

Man, that looks nice Wally!

 

[alf]

Given the Walldog design above do you guys think the angle iron down the entire outside is needed. I really dont' want to add the wieght as my hoops are already 2" DOM. I will have spreaders at the top of the hoops as well as middle hoop that stops as the spreader.

Kevin