Single 20lb LP Cylinder Rack

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I need to mount a single 20 lb LP gas cylinder on the front of our M101 CDN. Since its drawbar is still in stock configuration, I think going with just one cylinder for now is best. Mounting two there would leave the cylinders hanging over each side of the drawbar, where they could cause contact when jackknifing the trailer.

Some initial searches haven't turned up much. About the only thing I've been able to find are the J rack single tank mounts, where there's a small piece of metal the tank sits on and a sort of flimsy strap to lock the tank in place. Pretty cheesy stuff for an expedition trailer were my thoughts on those. I don't trust them.

Tom/Raszr has a pair of real nice looking single tank racks on the front of a trailer he has. A borrowed a pic, which is below. They look substantial and the locking mechanism looks like it might deter thieves, too, not simply hold the tank in place.

Anyone know who makes such a thing? Can you get different sizes to take, say, a standard 20 steel cylinder (although I suspect these will)? Doesn't have to be exactly like these, just something heavy-duty and that I can bolt on. Then if I do carry through and extend the drawbar in the future, I can unbolt the single cylinder rack, get another one and install them to have a dual tank rack. once I have more clearance to work with between the truck and trailer.

Tom also has some nice see-thru 20 lb (I think) cylinders. Very convenient to keep track of remaining fuel, as most LP gauges really aren't too accurate. One look at one of these and you can see where you're at.

The only drawback is that these days it's a lot easier to just swap a tank, than it is to refill, at least here in the Midwest. I sure wouldn't want to trade one of these beauties for the typical repainted 3x cylinder that you get in return. So not quite sure if I'll invest in one or not.
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Swapping tanks here is spendy. Like $24 for a common 5 gallon tank. Much cheaper to refill.
 
Swapping tanks here is spendy. Like $24 for a common 5 gallon tank. Much cheaper to refill.

Brian, that is generally true.
Around here, the closest place to fill is pretty close to what a swapped tank costs (~$20 for a 20 lb tank).

My main concern is when a LP gas refill is needed on the road. Practically every quickie mart has a rack with swap tanks in it, but fill stations are much sparser. Plus a fill station is typically only open during weekday/daylight hours, while places that do an exchange are often open 24/7.

Of course, if you do have your own tank that you don't want to trade, it typically costs about 150% more than a swap if you picked one up on the road. That would be OK in an emergency, but then you're stuck with hauling your fancy empty around on the trail and back to home and then figuring out what to do with an empty renta-cylinder that you'll have no particular need for once you refill your perma-cylinder.

Those are the reasons I'm leaning toward use of a standard 20 lb cylinder -- even though I really do like the looks and convenience of being able to see what's in the tank. Plus the new style tanks are lighter, good for my back and hauling more easily.

In the end, it may be the case that we'll not use so much gas that we'll need a fill/swap on the road. Heck, I've camped all my life without LP and done without that relative luxury. I'm finally going to some use of LP, simply because we have the trailer now to haul it with. It'll be used mainly to heat hot water for dishes and showers.

But I suspect that once exposed to the finer things in camp, our LP use may grow;)
Next thing you know, I'll be leaving the Coleman white gas stove and getting a LP stove, then a BBQ, then a light, then the mosquito repeller...so much convenience may drive our LP use up quickly. But hopefully by then I'll be able to build a longer drawbar and have space to mount two tanks.

First I need to solve the rack problem, though.
 
One never has too many LP tanks IMHO.

Keep an eye on CL. Often see old LP grills given away or sold for a pittance with a tank thrown in. Good source of spare tanks. Just try and be sure they are the trilobe legally refillable kind.

The good thing about LP is that the farther you go into the boonies, the more likely you are to find refillable stations since more folks depend on LP for basic needs there.
 
One never has too many LP tanks IMHO.

Well, almost. I've got four here at the house already. :doh: And they take up plenty of space inside a 1/4 ton trailer, too, but I'd make do in an emergency if I had to sub for a plastic tank. Going with steel for now makes more sense to me. It looks like the tank racks on Tom's trailer will accommodate either type of tank.

When I do get around to modding for a longer drawbar and I go to twin tanks, the issue of a refill or swap won't be nearly so pressing. I'll have the backup on board in a secure place and plenty of time to arrange making an empty full again without the hassle of swapping.

Plus, the weight savings will be double with two of the plastic tanks over steel ones.

Now if I can just find out where the dealz are on this stuff...:crybaby:
 
Brian,
Maybe my math is wrong about refill versus a swap. Now, I'm not fond of math, but I'll do it when I have to. ;p

I always thought when you swapped a cylinder, you got 20 lbs, i.e. a full cylinder. Thus my comment noting the convergence of prices locally between fill stations and swap racks. Yeah, a couple of bucks difference wasn't worth the convenience cost.

Turns out we consumers have been taken advantage of through some deceptive marketing practices:
Amerigas only puts 15 lbs of propane in a 20 lb tank

I'm usually pretty sharp about such sharp business practices:mad:
But this one sailed right by me until I came across that link in my stubborn search for a decent 20 lb bottle rack.

All of the sudden, the economics of getting a refill are turned upside down. I'll be looking for one of those new whizbang see-thru cylinders...but first things first, gotta safely transport whatever cylinder I do have -- I'm still looking for the elusive 20 lb cylnder rack.:crybaby:

I can't believe that this market isn't being addressed and that many of those tanks I see at campsites being used are apparently being driven around with said tanks rattling around in a trailer or truck bed loose.

Seems like a big market to me, gotta be someone out there who knows where to find a safe cylinder rack. I did find that Adventure Trailers makes a rack for a 5 lb bottle, but that's just too small if you only have space for one bottle.

Anyone?:idea:
 
I seen them on e-bay, but the price is rediculous..

I was in your shoes a few months back...
I eventually went to get some mild steel ($20) and build my own...
I looked at REZARF trailer build for inspiration.

Good luck !!
 
MaNu,
Thanks for the Ebay tip. Nothing really turned up useful when I searched. Do you recall what search term you used?

Yeah, this would be relatively easy to fabricate, but I don't have the tools to do something like that -- yet.

I did find a bottle holder designed to attach to a wall. I'll need to add a strap to it for use in a mobile application. But it's not very elegant, nothing like the bottle racks on the front of Tom's trailer.
 
Pat,
Thanks, I gotta check the Expo thread out.

I'll probably get that toggle clamp. It looks righteous.

The vertical steel propane brackets would've been a likely buy -- if I didn't already have an aluminum solution on the way for about the same price. I'll drop the link to that here for reference:
CamCo Mfg Aluminum Propane Tank - Bottle Holder - Aluminum - Diamond Plate - Diamond Plate - The Garage Store

In any case, great reference link. I'm sure there will be others that find this info useful, too.
 
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Below are three photos of the mod and install of the CamCo LPG Bottle Holder on my M101 CDN

First is a front view.

Second is a top down view.

In both you can see the "butane strap" I modified to provide a secure hold down for the bottle. I hacked the plastic bracket that is supplied with 2.5 lb fire extinguishers to provide a place to mount the strap.

The CamCo holder had ventilating holes drilled in the bottyom. It was mounted to the front of the trailer with 2"x2" square tube spacers. A security loop is threaded through the bottom spacer and allows the cylinder to be locked.

The third photo shows the LPG tank in use on the first night of a recent trip to Michigan's UP. I haven't measured, but with a 20 lb cylinder there seems to be plenty of clearance between it and the LandCruiser's tailgate. I'm considered going with a 30 lb see-thru cylinder, if I can find one, and will measure before that to be more certain of my clearance.
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If you are committed to the refill route, you may want to look into a horizontal tank like those use in warehouse forklifts. You could mount a 33# tank across the front under the turned out top edge of the trailer box.
 
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madinal,
I'll consider the horizontal tank. Not sure if the length/width might interfere when jack-knifing. However, I think that horizontal tanks are special, so that sort of mount would not allow easy substitution of a typical 20 lb exchange cylinder in a pinch if I couldn't get my cylinder refilled.

Pat,
Thanks! I'm pretty happy with how it came out. The holder nicely compliments the lines of the M101 and I don't worry about the cylinder being back there now.
 
I'm pretty sure that when my local guy fills my 20lb tanks to the point where it starts to spit out, the fill is very close to 5 gals indeed, but I'll check my notes some time to verify this.

One thing I do is I weigh the tanks when fully empty and write the tare down on the tank. Then I can always measure how much prop is left later on by plopping the partially emptied thing down on a bathroom scale. No more uncertainty before the big bbq party.
 

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