I was electronicaly spanked and rightfully so. hell I dont even reside in Ohio anymore. anyone wants them see the pics on Jims thread on free stuff. I can deliver them anywhere from Lansing MI. to Possibly Cincy on Oct. 25, 2006. These wont fit Neons, or Civics, Or the Toyota Prius' for that matter in the stock configuration. If you want them sooner I can work on that too.