RTH: Rear Full Floater - Axle Removal Problem

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Hi Everyone,

I blew up a rear wheel bearing and had to leave my truck with a mechanic who isn't familiar with toyota full floaters. (Like they're dramatically different from any others?) He can't get the the (short) axle to come out - I'm now thinking I effed up the diff, too. Or maybe just the diff? Anyway, any suggestions I can pass along to this guy on how to get a axle out that just won't budge?

Thanks in advance.
 
My local parts shop hires out a device with a sliding weight you bolt the wheel studs. You then move the weight away at speed and it always gets them off.

I have tied them to another vehicle and pulled them off that way. You have to be careful.

They can be hard to remove from an oil seal that hasnt been moved for years
 
My 78 45 has two threaded holes on the axle flange. I screw in bolts when I want to remove the axle and they get the axle pulled out by an inch or so. That is after the axle nuts and cone washers are removed.

I always keep a few extra axle studs and cone washers on hand in case my big brass drift ends up bending a stud or two during the removal process.
 
Update from the mechanic

Apparently the axle shaft will move an inch or two and then gets jammed (really rough splines?). I suggested the slide hammer, but he thinks if chisels didn't work then neither will a slide hammer. I'm thinking he might be the village idiot.
It seems I'm left with driving to Bonnyville to rescue my truck so I can do it myself.
Any other ideas before I do that?
I thought of cutting the head of the axle (putting in the bearings), pulling the second axle, dropping the drive shaft, and going home front wheel drive. Bad idea?
But I'll probably rent a dolly and truck and drag it home.
 
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shinny said:
Apparently the axle shaft will move an inch or two and then gets jammed (really rough splines?). I suggested the slide hammer, but he thinks if chisels didn't work then neither will a slide hammer. I'm thinking he might be the village idiot.
It seems I'm left with driving to Bonnyville to rescue my truck so I can do it myself.
Any other ideas before I do that?
I thought of cutting the head of the axle (putting in the bearings), pulling the second axle, dropping the drive shaft, and going home front wheel drive. Bad idea?
But I'll probably rent a dolly and truck and drag it home.
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Chisels:eek:
He wont know if the slide hammer works until he tries it;)
 
Does your 74 have cable lockers? I ask because what you describe sounds similar to issues 80 series owners have with the e-lockers when the shaft splines twist between the diff side gear and the engagement dog in the locker. Sometimes the axle breaks in this area and leaves a stub in the diff that makes it impossibe to remove the center section.

I had an 80 series axle that was stuck similar to yours. I drove a wood wedge between the axle and the bearing hub. I had about 1/2 inch space to work with at first. Once the flange cleared the studs I was able to pull it out.
 
lynchmob said:
Does your 74 have cable lockers? I ask because what you describe sounds similar to issues 80 series owners have with the e-lockers when the shaft splines twist between the diff side gear and the engagement dog in the locker.
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That's exactly what happened to Behemoth60's cable locked BJ74 at Rubithon.
 
No locker, it just has the limited slip. As for trying the slide hammer, he seems to be having a mental block preventing him from trying. I've always considered myself a bit of a hack, but this guy is a 'professional' and he's convinced to never use a garage ever again. The plan is now to go get the truck and drag it home - 700 miles round trip.
 
Anyone in Calgary with parts rig 70? Borrow the whole rear axle, take it with you and install it to drive it home. Bring your FF to someone else to repair.
 
The truck is home now. A truck and dolly got it home. I'm in Ft. MacKay, though, so I won't get to look into it for another 2 weeks. On the bright side, this is probably a good time to stick an air locker in it, don't you think?
 
shinny said:
The truck is home now. A truck and dolly got it home. I'm in Ft. MacKay, though, so I won't get to look into it for another 2 weeks. On the bright side, this is probably a good time to stick an air locker in it, don't you think?
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Always a good time for an air locker. Dont forget to look at the TJM ProLocker,also air activated
 
funny I read this thread last week. When I was doing my front axle(this weekend) my long side birf axle when re-installing it would not go in. I tried to pull it back out to again re-try. Could not budge it. All my weight would not bring it back out. I noticed on the end of the birf is a threaded hole.

So wanting a slide hammer I did the next best thing. I adjusted a cresent wrench to the size of the hole then threaded a bolt down tight on the cresent wrench. After I was able to take a hammer and beat the birf back out. Kinda slide hammer ish.


So do rear axles have the threaded hole in a FF axle? If so try that.
 
plan B?

I finally got around to fixing this thing myself. The long axle came out quite reasonably but with a 5# slide hammer I can't get the short one to budge. Would a 10# be enough? Bruce, how did you get Peter's axles out with the buggered splines?
 
shinny said:
I finally got around to fixing this thing myself. The long axle came out quite reasonably but with a 5# slide hammer I can't get the short one to budge. Would a 10# be enough? Bruce, how did you get Peter's axles out with the buggered splines?
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He used brute force. Some combination of prybars and hammering. I'm not convinced you'll have any luck with a slidehammer unless you can make a collar that will pull from behind the axle flange.
 
Unfortunately I can't get the axle out enough to get much behind it. This is the best I've come up with and it's not enough. I've got all my weight leaned on to jack, and I'm expecting the bolts threaded into the axle flange to fail. I guess if they do, I could tap out something larger and keep going...
axle-removal-small.webp
 
Have you had it out before?
In that case you will know it has C-clips or not.
Maybe this is a stupid remark, but that's the only thing I know of that could keep you from getting the shaft out using this amount of force.
 
Is it possible to remove the hub and axle together by undoing the 5 bolts behind the backing plate?
Then you could put the slide hammer on the wheel studs.
 
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