Recommendation for 'All-Band' mobile transceiver?

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Having obtained my general class license, I've been seriously looking at an HF radio and I have to say I'm rather lost. I'm a beginner HAM and I'm concerned I'll buy something and then regret it (at least to the extent that I could have bought something with many more features for just a bit more $$).

On the recommendation of George here on mud, I've been looking at the Yaesu FT-857 and FT-897 radios. After a lot of reading on eham.net I've also been looking at the Icom IC-7000 but it sounds like the IC-7200 could be approved and available any day now (or so the story goes for the past year +).

In the end, I really like the idea of cross band repeat (I plan to buy a hand-held sometime this summer); I also like the ability to listen to one frequency while scanning another band, and the ability to receive so many commercial and public service bands rather than add a dedicated scanner (basically all the features that led me to the 8900 initially). However, it seems foolish not to buy something with the widest possible band coverage that my license allows - and that means the all-band radios, which will satisfy the scanner-like ability to monitor commercial and public service bands, but it appears I will lose cross-band repeat and dual receive in order to gain the full HF spectrum.

So, any recommendations other than what I am already considering? And what's the vote between these?

I have a friend that will happily buy my 8900 which has never been out of the box, so that's at least out of the financial equation. On that note, I'd originally hoped to keep the cost under $500 but that now seems unrealistic once a quality antenna is added. Which reminds me, I still have no idea which way to go regarding antenna(s) for the rig. My preference is for a single antenna which seems possible with the 8900 (though the reviews on the quad antennas are mixed); whereas the all-band FT-857/897 and the IC-7000 seem to require at least two antennas and possibly at a higher cost (I'm looking at the Atlas-120 and the Tarheel II plus ???? for the other bands).

I don't have space or need for more than one rig in my vehicle(s), but I guess I could keep and install the 8900 in my FZJ80 and then buy and install one of the all-band rigs in the 'family truckster' Yukon XL for those long family road trips (though I'd rather just buy one radio and move it between vehicles given that I really only drive the Yukon for family trips and the 80 only see abut 8k miles annually).

Better still, I could move the all-band radio from the Yukon to the house for use as a base station - but that just leads to more time and money for a base antenna (not to mention the research time to determine which base antenna to go with . . . :confused:).

You can see how this all just gets out of control - its almost as bad as determining which tire to buy or which lift to install or . . . .. I must have an undiagnosed mental condition.

Any advice is appreciated.
 
My friend I purchased the Yaesu 857d and the ATAS 120 and I love it. I should be mounting it this coming week. I have a HAM licence here in Venezuela and I dont plan to do any Dx´ing from a single location, all my Dx´s will be from my 80 series. Actually this week I have a ton of things to do to the 80... I have to relocate my radios, mount the winch. and enjoy them!!!

I have heard of a couple of people mounting the ICOM IC-7000 with nice results. I mounted the yaesu because the ATAS Antenna is electrically matched when you change bands.

73´s
 
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I have been considering the identical setup - looking at the IC-7000 but leaning toward the YT-897 with ATAS 120.

However, lengthy reading on www.eham.net and www.K0BG.com seem to indicate that the ATAS120 is not a quality piece of equipment - but that is just one opinion and I've not yet made a conclusion.

I'd rather not have too many antennas on my truck and I like the idea of being able to move the radio and antenna to another truck (with all wire/cable already setup) and just plug-in the connectors and go to work with no tuning.

On the advise of other on eham.net and here on mud, I'm also looking at the tarheel line and the Hi-Q line (I think that was the name - I'm still researching).

Let us know how it works out!
 
IMHO you won't find a quad band ant that works well on all bands. For right now I have a 2M/70cm dual band that seems to work well, it will be replaced short term with a home brew design that should have a little better gain. Long term I will add an Rf switch, actually a relay, that will let me have two antennas so I can use the 6M and 10M bands along with 2M/70cm. My 6M/10M antenna will also be homebrew. I think 6M will be useful but 10M is dead right now, so I'll probably optimize my second antenna for 6M. Meanwhile I have a true dual receiver with crossband repeat, which is a feature I expect to use fairly often, I have the FT8900. I have no interest in contesting or base operation so it's a good fit for me. As far as being able to access all the frequencies you have privileges for, why? You only need to access the bands you will use. I have extra but I doubt I'll ever use all the frequency's I have privilege to. Instead buy a radio that will perform well for what you expect to use it for.

Just my $0.02 worth.
 
I have a FT-857 and a High Sierra Sidekick and it works great... I'm not running it mobile but have a portible setup. I have a few Single band HF verticals and seem to get about the same preformance as I am getting from the screwdriver antenna.

I still get the best prefromance from my inverted V dipole antenna but it requires about 135 feet of space and 30+ feet of elevation and a good 30 minutes to setup. Great for camp but not so good when you are on the go... where I can be up and running in under 10 minutes with the screwdriver antenna and I don't require much space.

In the first photo you can see my screwdriver antenna on a tripod to the left and the center support for my dipole (orange) strapped to my bumper. The Second photo is of me opperating my HF radio that is housed in a pelican case with it's own battery and all the rest of my HF gear.
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. I have no interest in contesting or base operation so it's a good fit for me. As far as being able to access all the frequencies you have privileges for, why? You only need to access the bands you will use. I have extra but I doubt I'll ever use all the frequency's I have privilege to. Instead buy a radio that will perform well for what you expect to use it for.

I don't have any interest in contesting but I do find myself in a lot of places where VHF/UHF 6M/10M just can't make contact. For me it's nice to be able to touch base with home when I am on the trail for 2 - 3 weeks. I normaly setup a schedule with some of the local Hams and try to check in daily with updates. I also use Airmail to send emails to my frends and family.

I agree with you on buying a radio for what you expect to use it for. My mobile setup is a dual band radio that I use 80% of the time, but it's nice having the HF gear and knowing how to use it for that other 20% of the time.
 
I don't have any interest in contesting but I do find myself in a lot of places where VHF/UHF 6M/10M just can't make contact. For me it's nice to be able to touch base with home when I am on the trail for 2 - 3 weeks. I normaly setup a schedule with some of the local Hams and try to check in daily with updates. I also use Airmail to send emails to my frends and family.

I agree with you on buying a radio for what you expect to use it for. My mobile setup is a dual band radio that I use 80% of the time, but it's nice having the HF gear and knowing how to use it for that other 20% of the time.
Radio gear also seems to hold it's value pretty well*. So if you decide you need more radio you can always upgrade later and sell your old gear.

*I discovered this when I was looking for a straight 2M rig for my FJ40. I found I could get new for only a little more than used.
 
Thanks for all the opinions everyone.

My plan at this point is to use both the Yaesu 8900R and the Icom IC-7000. Initially, I think I'll install the 8900 in my 80 and setup the Icom for use primarily at home but also in the Yukon XL for the few long family trips we take each year.

I still have no idea on antennas, but I'll probably start with just Larsen VHF/UHF and add the HF at a later time and via a second antenna.

I'd like to try the Yaesu VX-8 later this summer if it is released as planned (especially with the cross-band repeat feature of the 8900R). I'd really love it if it was released soon enough that I could take it with me on the family drive to Northern MN from August 1-15 just so I could play with it some during the vacation (though I'll take the Icom IC-7000 in the Yukon so I won't have the cross band repeat feature, but still).

Of course, I'd also love to know when the IC-7200 will actually be released, but I don't think I want to wait around for that as it has been pending FCC approval for over a year.

Finally, this week is national amateur radio week, and most areas have a Field Day going this Saturday and Sunday (including my local HAM club here in St. Louis), so I'll hold off ordering anything until after this weekend in hopes of getting more 'hands on' experience with even more equipment - maybe even nail down the antenna(s) decision and order that at the same time to save shipping.
 
I know this is an old post, but how's the 8900 working out for you? I plan to order one tonight but am still not sure of the antenna or mount. I'm thinking about making my own mount but haven't done the research yet, it seems to be fairly easy though. The Antenna is another matter, I'm not sure if I should go with the Quad band Comet or go with two separate antenna sets. Decisions, decisions....

From your sig it looks like you went with the Larsen, how do you like it?
 
I know this is an old post, but how's the 8900 working out for you? I plan to order one tonight but am still not sure of the antenna or mount. I'm thinking about making my own mount but haven't done the research yet, it seems to be fairly easy though. The Antenna is another matter, I'm not sure if I should go with the Quad band Comet or go with two separate antenna sets. Decisions, decisions....

From your sig it looks like you went with the Larsen, how do you like it?

I'm using two different Larsen (the NMO 2/70 & also the Larsen NMO 2/70 shorty) and also a 1/2 wave Diamond that is working exceptionally well on my front ARB bumper (upper light tab) which has a relatively poor ground plane (but excellent DC ground).

I didn't keep the 8900 in the end. I never had it out of the box and a local club member offered me more than I paid for it, so I let it go. I had the IC-7000 already so I just stuck with it. I've heard great things though about the 8900 and will likely purchase another (I just wanted more HF options for now).

Good luck!
 
Having obtained my general class license, I've been seriously looking at an HF radio and I have to say I'm rather lost. I'm a beginner HAM and I'm concerned I'll buy something and then regret it (at least to the extent that I could have bought something with many more features for just a bit more $$).

On the recommendation of George here on mud, I've been looking at the Yaesu FT-857 and FT-897 radios. After a lot of reading on eham.net I've also been looking at the Icom IC-7000 but it sounds like the IC-7200 could be approved and available any day now (or so the story goes for the past year +).

In the end, I really like the idea of cross band repeat (I plan to buy a hand-held sometime this summer); I also like the ability to listen to one frequency while scanning another band, and the ability to receive so many commercial and public service bands rather than add a dedicated scanner (basically all the features that led me to the 8900 initially). However, it seems foolish not to buy something with the widest possible band coverage that my license allows - and that means the all-band radios, which will satisfy the scanner-like ability to monitor commercial and public service bands, but it appears I will lose cross-band repeat and dual receive in order to gain the full HF spectrum.

So, any recommendations other than what I am already considering? And what's the vote between these?

I have a friend that will happily buy my 8900 which has never been out of the box, so that's at least out of the financial equation. On that note, I'd originally hoped to keep the cost under $500 but that now seems unrealistic once a quality antenna is added. Which reminds me, I still have no idea which way to go regarding antenna(s) for the rig. My preference is for a single antenna which seems possible with the 8900 (though the reviews on the quad antennas are mixed); whereas the all-band FT-857/897 and the IC-7000 seem to require at least two antennas and possibly at a higher cost (I'm looking at the Atlas-120 and the Tarheel II plus ???? for the other bands).

I don't have space or need for more than one rig in my vehicle(s), but I guess I could keep and install the 8900 in my FZJ80 and then buy and install one of the all-band rigs in the 'family truckster' Yukon XL for those long family road trips (though I'd rather just buy one radio and move it between vehicles given that I really only drive the Yukon for family trips and the 80 only see abut 8k miles annually).

Better still, I could move the all-band radio from the Yukon to the house for use as a base station - but that just leads to more time and money for a base antenna (not to mention the research time to determine which base antenna to go with . . . :confused:).

You can see how this all just gets out of control - its almost as bad as determining which tire to buy or which lift to install or . . . .. I must have an undiagnosed mental condition.

Any advice is appreciated.
Hello,
One of the newer 2-5 years HF radios is the excellent Kenwood TS-480ATS. You can very quickly change to a base rig in your home with a 12vdc / 18 amp power suply - Sonic-Power has a 50.00 unit that is tops. The only company that I would go with for your mobile mount on your truck is Jerry Breedlove Antenna mounts = EXCELLENT - many options you will have for roof, tailgate, spare tire,
and on the side of the truck. I have an older FJ40 that can have many options for moving the mount around to many sites - some people like to mount the Little Tarheel II on the cowel in front - side of hood.
I like the rear drivers-side area up above the back-up light. Many like the roof - Dipole style.
Many mounts out there - but stay with Breedlove Machine Shop Co. the very best. The Kenwood 480 is high cost, but excellent!!
Michaelarchangel
 
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