Rear Lock rite locker used with ABS brakes

[pillguy]

Hi all,

I have searched the threads and do not find an answer on this one. Has anyone put in a lockrite rear locker (lunchbox style) in a 3 gen 4runner (1997) with ABS?
I am concerned that it will adversely affect my ABS operation since both rear wheels will be locked at all times (except turning).

Please let me know if you have ABS and have a lockrite in the rear end and your experience with it.

Thanks

 

[hoch]

Not sure about the ABS issue, but are you sure you want to go with the lockrite route? And not e-locker retrofit or ARB?

 

[pillguy]

Retrofit elocker or ARB is pretty pricy, that is why I wanted to go with a less expensive route. Still cannot seem to get an answer on this issue. Anything would help.

Not sure about the ABS issue, but are you sure you want to go with the lockrite route? And not e-locker retrofit or ARB?

 

[Miss R2FJ]

I have a friend who had these on a 2nd gen 4runner...hated them. They were extremely dangerous driving in the rain, and it often sounded like his transmission or axles were going to fall off the truck with big clunking noises whenever he would slow or stop. I was thinking about going this route as well before I found a runner with the e-locker...but after hearing his stories...I'd say be patient, save up some cash and just get an ARB Air Locker installed....or find a e-locker axle to swap. I think in the end you will be happier and safer.

 

[Hank]

Don't worry about the folks with no clue. Huge numbers of lunch box lockers are in daily driven vehicles and are perfectly safe. My last TJ had a mini spool in the back for 20,000 miles of daily driving, my FJ62 has a lock right in the back and gets driven all over. Lockers make noise, if you want to wheel, get used to it. IF you want a quiet street ride to the mall get a Camry. The locker changes the driving feel a bit but once you get used to it and understand what you have most actually prefer it. There is no voodoo or black magic. Drivers who don't understand how things work are scary in the rain. Saying a locker is scary in the rain is akin to saying a gun is dangerous. It's the operator that matters here.


As for your ABS you will have issues with confusing the relation of information from the wheel speed sensors to the ABS module. This will cause ABS malfunction. If you don't mind the light being on the fuse can be pulled. Pulling this fuse completely disables your ABS brake system. If you know how to drive with out ABS you have nothing to fear. I will be putting a lunch box locker in my 97 4Runner this coming summer. It's a shame to give up the ABS since it works quite well however spending $800 on an e-locker is not worth it to me.

For those pointing to the e-locker as a good mod, they are correct, it is. However it also disables the ABS when engaged. Also, as it is factory wired it only works in 4 low. This can be changed and it still disables the ABS when modified to work in high range or 2wd.

HTH

 

[Hilux]

Retrofit elocker or ARB is pretty pricy, that is why I wanted to go with a less expensive route. Still cannot seem to get an answer on this issue. Anything would help.

Stop being cheap. I see this time and time again and this is not a minor modification or something to be taken lightly. Safety and longevity is at stake. Doing the Elocker or ARB is duh, more expensive, but you will be buying other lunch box lockers and you will be replacing them. And, the Elocker and ARB will have NO ILL ON-ROAD effects for you to have to deal with. Not to mention you'll be done with messing w/ them for forever. Put a price on there forever, and breaking when you need it most....get the Elocker...

Not sure about Toyota's, but I have herd of several people that have eat springs and sheered teeth w/ their lunch box lockers. Not to mention ice driving and the general (all the time) on-road characteristics.

It's a full time deal. So know driving it, takes full time attention.


You have a newish vehicle so I know you can retrofit the Elocker (cut a small tab for the derailer ) or do the ARB. I have passed on 2 complete TRD diffs recently for $250 ea. Stop crying (we all do), stop being cheap (we all do), install a chunk that's already set-up and then get the cable locker from Downey if you're not a electrician, want simplicity, and be done w/ it FOREVER. Why people go for the cheap and now, versus the expensive, better, safer and forever is beyond me.


How do you drive this truck? Is it a DD? Something the wife drives? How are the winters/ inclement weather where you are? AT or manual? Do you have traction control?


A lunch box locker is something you do to a vehicle that you don't have to worry about how the questions above are answered IMO.

 

[pillguy]

Well,
This was some of the info I was looking for as I do not want to alter my ABS. It can be a life saver. Its not a DD and wife does not drive it. 75% trail/25% street. We do not get a lot of snow here in ATL, but often rain and no traction control for the truck.

THanks

Stop being cheap. I see this time and time again and this is not a minor modification or something to be taken lightly. Safety and longevity is at stake. Doing the Elocker or ARB is duh, more expensive, but you will be buying other lunch box lockers and you will be replacing them. And, the Elocker and ARB will have NO ILL ON-ROAD effects for you to have to deal with. Not to mention you'll be done with messing w/ them for forever. Put a price on there forever, and breaking when you need it most....get the Elocker...

Not sure about Toyota's, but I have herd of several people that have eat springs and sheered teeth w/ their lunch box lockers. Not to mention ice driving and the general (all the time) on-road characteristics.

It's a full time deal. So know driving it, takes full time attention.


You have a newish vehicle so I know you can retrofit the Elocker (cut a small tab for the derailer ) or do the ARB. I have passed on 2 complete TRD diffs recently for $250 ea. Stop crying (we all do), stop being cheap (we all do), install a chunk that's already set-up and then get the cable locker from Downey if you're not a electrician, want simplicity, and be done w/ it FOREVER. Why people go for the cheap and now, versus the expensive, better, safer and forever is beyond me.


How do you drive this truck? Is it a DD? Something the wife drives? How are the winters/ inclement weather where you are? AT or manual? Do you have traction control?


A lunch box locker is something you do to a vehicle that you don't have to worry about how the questions above are answered IMO.

 

[dyogim]

A friend of mine had it on his tundra rear axle with ABS and the ABS light stayed on. Not sure how it affected the ABS but, it was a bit annoying. He ended up switching to a truetrac.

I've had the lock right locker on my tundra for about 6 years. I've been happy with it and yes I have sheered the pins twice but, $20 for the kit and $15 for gear oil, I replaced them and was back on the road. The truck was my daily driver and driving in the rain/snow was not a big deal. Major driving change is around corners. You are not suppose to haul a$$ around the corner. Especially, on slick conditions. Also, depending on your tire size, will be abig factor. I had 35's and that is probably the max tires size.

I recently had 38.7 Michelin XL's and those were too much for the lockright and now the teeth are worn down to the point that it's not working properly. I went back down to 35's and I'm planning on going with a Detroit Locker. I'd get another Lock Right if I stay with the 35's but, I plan on going bigger in the future.

 

[Hank]

Bottom line, if you need ABS you need selectable, spend the money. If you don't, there are other options.

 

[hoch]

This Tacoma of mine is the first vehicle I've had with no ABS. I thought that I made a mistake (didn't realize this until after the purchase). But I get around just fine in rain, snow, etc. When off-road, I prefer it without. Plus, one less part to fail. If you're going to be on the trail 75% of the time, I'd think you'd want it gone anyway...

 

[slow95z]

abs is for people who dont know how to use the brakes in the rain

 

[pillguy]

That is silly, our company requires us to have our company cars with ABS. The driving statistics nationwide back them up= fewer accidents with them.

abs is for people who dont know how to use the brakes in the rain

 

[Hank]

What did you people do before ABS was invented? I've driven more with out it than with it. Driving was fun before big brother managed it for us. As for the studies, ABS doesn't save vehicles from crashing. Guns don't kill people. It's all the operator.

 

[hoch]

What did you people do before ABS was invented? I've driven more with out it than with it. Driving was fun before big brother managed it for us. As for the studies, ABS doesn't save vehicles from crashing. Guns don't kill people. It's all the operator.

I agree with you--it is all about the operator. However, you have to see who the operator is. Generally speaking, 99% of the US population wouldn't know to pump the brakes in slick conditions. I know my wife would just stomp on the pedal and scream. In that sense, the ABS does affect the outcome of a potential accident.

 

[Hank]

I'm glad somebody understands. I've smashed many a vehicle, ABS would not have saved any of them. I implore you all, learn to drive with out the big brother watching over you. If you already know how then teach somebody, especially your loved ones.

All the crap that helpless people are demanding put on vehicles is raising prices and ruining vehicles for those of us who enjoy being the largest factor in the operation of them.

TPMS, not needed, basic maintenance
ABS, not needed, basic knowledge and driving skills will suffice
traction control, not needed, see above
Top speed limiters, not needed, common sense should take over here
dome light overide systems, KAM systems, I could go on and on.

If automakers could quit protecting idiots from themselves and focus on technology to improve things like efficiency or alternative fuels the industry would be much further along.

I'll get off my soap box now.

 

[slow95z]

also they are keeping stupid people in the genepool which is a bad thing imo