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non cv 5" of tube
I'll get you guys more pics.
ics of Trac Barsnon cv 5" of tube
I'll get you guys more pics.
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Pinions should either:
A> point directly at the t-case output, and a CV-type driveshaft should be run
B> be parallel to the t-case output, with a standard non-CV driveshaft (ie: t-case points 3 degrees down, pinion points 3-degrees up)
C> neither of these (like yours) ... you should then expect vibrations, increased wear on the slip shaft, accellerated demise of u-joints, and increased risk of t-case output bearing damage and pinion bearing damage.
If your rear shaft is too short, reverse the rear packs and you earn 3.5" of wheebase. Wrap bar is a must then.
The traction bars (those are NOT wrap bars in my book) will limit your travel much moreso than the options outlined above, however you should be able to launch from a stoplight like a mofo....
ics of Trac BarsPinions should either:
A> point directly at the t-case output, and a CV-type driveshaft should be run
B> be parallel to the t-case output, with a standard non-CV driveshaft (ie: t-case points 3 degrees down, pinion points 3-degrees up)
C> neither of these (like yours) ... you should then expect vibrations, increased wear on the slip shaft, accellerated demise of u-joints, and increased risk of t-case output bearing damage and pinion bearing damage.
If your rear shaft is too short, reverse the rear packs and you earn 3.5" of wheebase. Wrap bar is a must then.
The traction bars (those are NOT wrap bars in my book) will limit your travel much moreso than the options outlined above, however you should be able to launch from a stoplight like a mofo....
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FWIW, that pic is of my rig sitting front end up on a hill in park. It's pushing the pinion back A LOT in the pic trying to roll back. I'll get a pic of it on flat ground and compare to see if there's a difference.
No doubt it's too much angle, but those who've seen it face to face claim it'll work if I can stop the pinion roll.
Oh, and BTW; I did ask for pics before I did this. It's all YOUR faults!! JK.
ics of Trac BarsFWIW, that pic is of my rig sitting front end up on a hill in park. It's pushing the pinion back A LOT in the pic trying to roll back. I'll get a pic of it on flat ground and compare to see if there's a difference.
No doubt it's too much angle, but those who've seen it face to face claim it'll work if I can stop the pinion roll.
Oh, and BTW; I did ask for pics before I did this. It's all YOUR faults!! JK.
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Well,
If gravity is making it that bad, simply from the weight being against it, you can clearly tell that your links are not doing enough, if much at all, and that the engine would be able to develop enough torque to replicate this in driving conditions...
Good luck!
ics of Trac BarsWell,
If gravity is making it that bad, simply from the weight being against it, you can clearly tell that your links are not doing enough, if much at all, and that the engine would be able to develop enough torque to replicate this in driving conditions...
Good luck!
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[quote author=Poser link=board=1;threadid=13672;start=msg131294#msg131294 date=1080878067]
Well,
If gravity is making it that bad, simply from the weight being against it, you can clearly tell that your links are not doing enough, if much at all, and that the engine would be able to develop enough torque to replicate this in driving conditions...
Good luck!
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seriously.
We shall see. Told ya'll I wasn't a fan of the 700
ics of Trac Bars[quote author=Poser link=board=1;threadid=13672;start=msg131294#msg131294 date=1080878067]
Well,
If gravity is making it that bad, simply from the weight being against it, you can clearly tell that your links are not doing enough, if much at all, and that the engine would be able to develop enough torque to replicate this in driving conditions...
Good luck!
[/quote]
seriously.
We shall see. Told ya'll I wasn't a fan of the 700
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This one has worked well for me. :
This one has worked well for me. :
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ladder bars; wrap bars. Where does the madness end!!!!
Good News. The Torque Converter and Flywheel change eliminated a significant amount of vibes. Converter had slid off and was causing a little shake and bake. Bad news still is the rear end hop at the pinion. I can see it when the vehicle takes off (No, I'm not driving hanging off the side!); but the pinion shakes a good bit. We're talking about locking it into place with some more "bars" that aren't as flexible and shouldn't give.
We'll see. Any other pics would be greatly appreciated.
ics of Trac Barsladder bars; wrap bars. Where does the madness end!!!!
Good News. The Torque Converter and Flywheel change eliminated a significant amount of vibes. Converter had slid off and was causing a little shake and bake. Bad news still is the rear end hop at the pinion. I can see it when the vehicle takes off (No, I'm not driving hanging off the side!); but the pinion shakes a good bit. We're talking about locking it into place with some more "bars" that aren't as flexible and shouldn't give.
We'll see. Any other pics would be greatly appreciated.
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[quote author=beanz2 link=board=1;threadid=13672;start=msg126696#msg126696 date=1080186599]
Paul Decker's traction bar. His webpage on the bar seemed to have disappeared but here is his storefront: www.hotcampshowers.com
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Im no engineer but I do not like how tall that mount is and the old addage of torsion through the mount and leverage do not seem to jive.
I like the unit Wagoneer is using, simple and effective.
I built the typical unit for my customer and the time spent could be better spend on something else.
[quote author=beanz2 link=board=1;threadid=13672;start=msg126696#msg126696 date=1080186599]
Paul Decker's traction bar. His webpage on the bar seemed to have disappeared but here is his storefront: www.hotcampshowers.com
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Im no engineer but I do not like how tall that mount is and the old addage of torsion through the mount and leverage do not seem to jive.
I like the unit Wagoneer is using, simple and effective.
I built the typical unit for my customer and the time spent could be better spend on something else.
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[quote author=Vortec_Cruiser link=board=1;threadid=13672;start=msg132020#msg132020 date=1080968470]
This one has worked well for me. :
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I personally like this one and am building something very similiar.
[quote author=Vortec_Cruiser link=board=1;threadid=13672;start=msg132020#msg132020 date=1080968470]
This one has worked well for me. :
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I personally like this one and am building something very similiar.
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When I was putting together a suspension power point for my class i came across this.
http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/susp/axlewrap/
I use the Woody-type triangulated heim jointed bar, although i am very close to just going 4 link.
When I was putting together a suspension power point for my class i came across this.
http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/susp/axlewrap/
I use the Woody-type triangulated heim jointed bar, although i am very close to just going 4 link.
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[quote author=Gumby link=board=1;threadid=13672;start=msg132697#msg132697 date=1081118900]
When I was putting together a suspension power point for my class i came across this.
http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/susp/axlewrap/
I use the Woody-type triangulated heim jointed bar, although i am very close to just going 4 link.
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Hey Todd, I've got a lot of recommendations to go to a 4 link. I've read the tech links on it, but still don't really know if it's the way to go, and plus, would it help with pinion roll?
Just wondering. Not an issue of getting it done. The bastid that set my axle is going to do it.
[quote author=Gumby link=board=1;threadid=13672;start=msg132697#msg132697 date=1081118900]
When I was putting together a suspension power point for my class i came across this.
http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/susp/axlewrap/
I use the Woody-type triangulated heim jointed bar, although i am very close to just going 4 link.
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Hey Todd, I've got a lot of recommendations to go to a 4 link. I've read the tech links on it, but still don't really know if it's the way to go, and plus, would it help with pinion roll?
Just wondering. Not an issue of getting it done. The bastid that set my axle is going to do it.
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BTW. Thanks for the article. Just read it and it shed some light.
ics of Trac BarsBTW. Thanks for the article. Just read it and it shed some light.
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going to try to gain almost 12 to 14" by moving sh*t forward and changing trannys. Going to shift the rear axle just a tad as well, and re-set that pinion angle. We'll see. I can't quit on it now, got too much into it. Can't sell to anyone like this I'd feel bad, although I can cover the vibes up with a ladder bar (proven that).
Any tips at this point in the game are almost NEEDED, and greatly appreciated, however, it's all the same. Going to get started Saturday night. :-\
Thanks in advance.
Tom IV
going to try to gain almost 12 to 14" by moving sh*t forward and changing trannys. Going to shift the rear axle just a tad as well, and re-set that pinion angle. We'll see. I can't quit on it now, got too much into it. Can't sell to anyone like this I'd feel bad, although I can cover the vibes up with a ladder bar (proven that).
Any tips at this point in the game are almost NEEDED, and greatly appreciated, however, it's all the same. Going to get started Saturday night. :-\
Thanks in advance.
Tom IV
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[quote author=Poser link=board=1;threadid=13672;start=msg135569#msg135569 date=1081471880]
Oh,
Don't forget the beer....It helps.
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Guess this is what it's like learning 'everything' about Cruisers "first hand". Good God.
Hey Steve, any news on that brake master adapter?
Oh,
Don't forget the beer....It helps.
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[move]Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh[/move]
Guess this is what it's like learning 'everything' about Cruisers "first hand". Good God.
Hey Steve, any news on that brake master adapter?
Man, CRAZY
Shoot me large pics/lots of them,
Refresh the specs on your cruiser i forgot trans and tranfer. Also what are you thinking about going to?
I have a buddy that wheels and interestate drives his SOA cruiser with a really short driveshaft and has never had a problem in the 4 or 5 yrs, and he DD for a while. I will find out how short his driveshaft is.
Shoot me large pics/lots of them,
Refresh the specs on your cruiser i forgot trans and tranfer. Also what are you thinking about going to?
I have a buddy that wheels and interestate drives his SOA cruiser with a really short driveshaft and has never had a problem in the 4 or 5 yrs, and he DD for a while. I will find out how short his driveshaft is.
The million dollar question hic, remains...was his pinion pointed to the moon as tjdvi's is?
I can not imagine that there is much life left in that front pinion bearing if that is the angle in which it operates going down the road...
Good luck!
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I can not imagine that there is much life left in that front pinion bearing if that is the angle in which it operates going down the road...
Good luck!
-Steve