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Are we witnessing the new world order taking over? No, I don't want to see people get sick, suffer and possibly die but I am seeing the masses herded like sheep, business owners being told to close down,
churches told to close their doors, citizens being denied the right to work, and provide for their families . I don't deny that this virus is real but it seems like any process of democracy, public input has been bypassed..
 
You should delete your post before the black suburbans show up at your door



If its not now, this is a test run. The sheeple are behaving just like the handlers want.
Im definitely concerned.
 
Are we witnessing the new world order taking over? No, I don't want to see people get sick, suffer and possibly die but I am seeing the masses herded like sheep, business owners being told to close down,
churches told to close their doors, citizens being denied the right to work, and provide for their families . I don't deny that this virus is real but it seems like any process of democracy, public input has been bypassed..


This whole thing has been blown out of proportion

see attached post

Marc Serota, MD and Immunologist, posted this on Facebook. I think it's the clearest statement regarding Coronavirus I've seen so far.

From an MD immunologist:

I don't post a lot on Facebook but I would like to give my perspective and context on the coronavirus outbreak. I hope I can be a more reputable source of perspective as a physician who specializes and is board certified in immunology (as well as pediatrics, allergy and dermatology).

1. Coronaviruses are a family of viruses. "coronavirus" is not unique to this particular strain. Everyone reading this has likely had another different coronavirus infection. This particular strain has been named COVID-19.

2. Every upper respiratory virus has the potential to be lethal. Patients unfortunately die from many upper respiratory viral infections every year - most prominently the influenza virus. 30,000 people died from the influenza virus in 2019. The media didn't report each one. They have reported all 11 coronavirus deaths. Not telling us about the people lost but rather keeping a death "toll".

Let me repeat that:
-Coronavirus: 11 deaths (US in 2020), 3300 deaths (China in 2020).
-Influenza: 30,000 deaths (US in 2019).

*Influenza pandemic of 1918: 675,000! (US), 20-50 MILLION!! (worldwide) <---These people I think would have been in favor of receiving their annual flu vaccine.

This is not meant to minimize any of these deaths but rather to give context and put some facts to the hysteria.

3. If you're healthy, there is no need to walk around wearing a mask. In addition to looking silly and most of the time wearing/taking them off wrong - which would actually make you more prone to acquiring an infection, they don't prevent you from getting sick. If you're actually sick stay away from people and then, sure, wear a mask so you aren't spreading respiratory droplets every time you cough/sneeze. In medicine we don't wear the masks you're buying and we wear other protective equipment - not just a silly looking mask you found on Amazon. When you see doctor's walking around the world wearing a mask then you should too. Until then, stop.

4. The symptoms are that of the flu. As doctors we don't test or know about most people with mild or moderate flu symptoms. That means most people will probably get it and just think they had the flu. That means you're only going to hear about the cases that get serious - not all the minor ones which will be the vast majority of cases.

5. When it is said that people who are older or have other medical conditions are most likely to die - that is equally true for EVERY upper respiratory virus. There is nothing unique about that to this particular virus. It does mean that the only cases we tend to know about are the severe ones. Once a case is severe it then makes sense to test the patient to find out what virus in particular they have. That means you can easily overestimate how severe or lethal the virus is because the only cases you end up knowing about are the serious ones.

In summary 30,000 people died from the flu last year. Another 30,000 died in car accidents.

I remember: H1N1 (2009), MERS (2012), Ebola (2014), Coronavirus (2020).

Take it from me: The poor resident who stood at the door of the ER to triage people in 2009's swine flu (H1N1) hysteria. The over reaction is exponentially worse than the actual problem and in 2020 the over reactions I'm seeing are remarkable. In cold and flu season you'll probably get sick once or twice for about a week each. You might even get this particular coronavirus and most of you won't even know it. I've seen people raiding supermarkets, major meetings and sporting events getting cancelled and fear/racism towards Asian people. These reactions are totally unnecessary and panic based. Just do what you've always done during cold/flu season. Stay away from other people when you're sick, wash your hands and keep them away from your face, and only go to the ER if you feel your symptoms are more severe than a bad cold/flu (shortness of breath, high fever, etc.). And also realize you can't live on earth and not get viral illnesses from time to time. It's a part of nature.

Please don't ask for antibiotics (those treat bacteria - not viruses). Thats like asking for a fire extinguisher when you're drowning. It can be a life saving device - but the wrong one for the problem at hand. Some doctor's don't want to fight about it when patients insist on antibiotics so they just prescribe them - but it doesn't mean its actually helping you and in some cases they can be harmful (resistance, infections, allergic reactions just to name a few). If you're one who asks for antibiotics every time you're sick, again, take it from me: ask for a flu shot each year and a doctor's note to stay home from work when you're sick instead. You will be much better off.

The government is very proud that testing will be available to every American. Remember, we don't test for any respiratory virus other than the influenza virus routinely. The reason is thats the only virus that has a treatment (pill) you can take to shorten the duration of severity of the illness. I suspect if we start testing everyone with cold symptoms for coronavirus we're going to find lots of it. It's not going to change the recommendations to stay home and rest. And its not going to predict the small percentage of people who may develop more severe symptoms. Essentially whether someone has coronavirus 19 or some other cold/flu virus isn't going to matter to your doctor. What it will do is slam urgent cares, ER's and hospitals with every patient who has a cold so they can be tested. It is much more sensible to reserve testing for patients requiring hospitalization or more advanced treatments. Even that wouldn't change their management but would be more to confirm the diagnosis and to not waste time looking for other causes of the patients symptoms.

In conclusion, yes there is a novel virus that our immune systems haven't seen yet so to get immune to it you will have to get infected - at least until a vaccine is developed to bypass the getting sick part and just jumping straight to immune. Most people's immune systems will do that effectively and be fine. A small percentage of unfortunate patients (primarily elderly, immune compromised etc.) will not be able to do that effectively and will need more advanced care. This is true of the cold/flu viruses we deal with every year. Follow normal cold/flu precautions and seek medical care if you feel your symptoms are severe. No need to get hysterical.

These outbreaks can be instructive for overall knowledge of public health. In particular showing your immune system the uniform of a potential invader (virus) so that if it ever sees a soldier wearing that uniform it will immediately attack and neutralize it without you ever getting sick. That is a wonderful thing and probably the single biggest achievement in medicine throughout human history. That is what vaccines are. The benefit to risk ratio of them are off the charts in favor of vaccines. If viruses like coronavirus scare you, then stay up to date on your vaccines and your immune system will be running the latest software.

If you still think you should be scared consider this: Doctors, nurses and other healthcare staff are going to hospitals every day. Crowded buildings with tons of sick people. They aren't walking around the halls of the hospitals wearing masks and they haven't stopped going to work. And they are all rolling their eyes at everyone else right now.

Marc Serota, MD
 
Thanks for that post. I have seen ordinary citizens perform amazing acts of heroism and do courageous and generous things for others in emergency situations and I wish our government would stop taking opportunities away for the citizens to rise up and take initiative to curb the tide of this virus. Education and guidance with recommendations vs. emergency declarations mandates would sit much better with me.
I am not worried about the black suburbans, I am nobody.
 
Dudes, it has been a while.

this is a test run may be closer to the truth than you think. This is a “how far can we push them without a revolt” moment for the government.

The sad thing is my neighbor are all about it. “If it save just one elderly” is the common theme. Another is “Society has a duty to protect the week.” I pointed out to a neighbor that if a couple of my employees are sent home for two weeks they will be evicted and that they have families. She said “we will just pass a law outlawing evictions” she obviously doesn’t get how the world works.

I just want to get the thing and get over it.
 
Thanks for that post. I have seen ordinary citizens perform amazing acts of heroism and do courageous and generous things for others in emergency situations and I wish our government would stop taking opportunities away for the citizens to rise up and take initiative to curb the tide of this virus. Education and guidance with recommendations vs. emergency declarations mandates would sit much better with me.
I am not worried about the black suburbans, I am nobody.

Kief,

An emergency declaration gives the government power. No surprise they jump on it. It is after all what they crave the most.

My view is this: they create a disaster and then set themselves up as the savior with handouts. The perfect way to buy votes.
 
Get it now while there are still hospital beds if it gets really bad.
 
Thanks for that post. I have seen ordinary citizens perform amazing acts of heroism and do courageous and generous things for others in emergency situations and I wish our government would stop taking opportunities away for the citizens to rise up and take initiative to curb the tide of this virus. Education and guidance with recommendations vs. emergency declarations mandates would sit much better with me.
I am not worried about the black suburbans, I am nobody.
Unfortunately, there are far more ‘ordinary’ citizens completely losing it and falling hook line and sinker for every little FB lie and mistruth. As has been said before....toilet paper? Really?
It’s quite a sad and disheartening showing. The feds really have accomplished their goal quickly.
I’ve learned a lot over the past few days and will keep my distance from the masses and the keep supplies stocked.
 
Unfortunately, there are far more ‘ordinary’ citizens completely losing it and falling hook line and sinker for every little FB lie and mistruth. As has been said before....toilet paper? Really?
It’s quite a sad and disheartening showing. The feds really have accomplished their goal quickly.
I’ve learned a lot over the past few days and will keep my distance from the masses and the keep supplies stocked.

Funny thing is, our panic buy was a bag of rice because we were out. Our freezer is always full and with my yearly buy of backpacking meals we have no need to go to the store except for fresh veggies and milk.

I may go by Winco to see if I can score a bag of beans in the am. I haven’t made fresh beans in a while.
 
Everyones opinions differ but I figured I'd throw this question up on pirate because they are always political about their rights and government butting in. Didn't realize how fast I'd be beaten down when it came to free money...

Hope everyone is still doing all right out there.

On a more positive note I should be getting my cruiser up on a lift pretty soon, I have a bay in shop we are finishing up, and I'll be tearing apart my back end to find out why it keeps hopping when I'm driving.
 
I didn't read the whole post but got the jist of it. To just get a chunk of change for nothing makes me wonder how much my hard work is worth.
This whole situation has been eye opening for sure.
 
The worst place on the internet is DEFINITELY pirate chat.

If this situation doesn't start waking up the sheep, we're all fûcked.

I unfortunately don't see "the people" getting the country back without force.
 
With the news of news lying and this being a blatant bio weapon. The riots should have already started.
 
Like I said of all places they complain the most about government crap. I was shocked how that went over.
It will be interesting to see what we actually get back before resistance/blatant ignoring of their "rules" is required. I hope the sheeple start waking up : [
 
I'm practically quarantined at work these days. Everyone is using VPNs now.
Yup, same here, been working from home for years. Now just setting up all these remote offices. Think in the last 3 weeks I've set close to 300-400 up. Home offices (other than mine) suck. :lol:
 

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