Losing My Mind

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Ok so I have posted this question on here a couple times and tried most everything. My 87 toyota will sometimes act as though it starts in 2nd or 3rd when I go to take off from a stand still, throw it down into low and the engine will run the same will not shift. I have had the tranny rebuilt and looked at 3 times by the people that have rebuilt it and they can not find any problems with rebuild or the solenoids. I have replaced tps set timing, the right way, replaced ecu as tranny place said that may be the problem and it still persists. It is a lot less often but... the transmission place has disconnected the kickdown witch has allowed for smoother shifting but I want the problem fixed want it to run right, any suggestions I was thinking of replacing afm next thanks again.
 
OK, describe in detail what is going on when it happens.

My truck acts like a dog when the flapper gate in in the MAF sticks. Go over a good bump and it frees up and all is fine again.
 
hello yes that is kinda what its like I will drive somewhere it will drive fine then I shut it off and go to start it again and it acts like it starts in a higher gear motor revs but no go slam it into 1st and no change in movement just high reps and no go is that what it is like on yours.
 
Is yours an automatic transmission? Which engine? Which transmission?

Details, we need details and accurate descriptions to help.

Does the engine RPMs go up without an associated increase in vehicle speed? If so, something is slipping like the clutch or torque converter.

I have replaced tps set timing, the right way, replaced ecu as tranny place said that may be the problem and it still persists. It is a lot less often but...
makes me think there may be an issue in the wiring harness between the ECU and automatic transmission, but I'm not familiar with automatic transmissions. A corroded contact could cause a solenoid in the transmission to not operate so the torque converter doesn't engage properly. You could try cleaning all the electrical contacts on the transmission, and at the ECU. Use a proper contact cleaner like EPS 1. Get a FSM for your truck and figure out which wires carry the signals to the transmission. Check them for continuity issues or shorts with a multimeter.

Does it ever happen when the engine is cold, or is it always when hot? How hot, like only when it was driven in the past 15 minutes, or is it longer? Does it happen in the middle of use, like accelerating from a stoplight or stop sign?

With my MAF caused issue the engine RPMs don't go up, there just isn't the power to accelerate normally. It is because the measured amount of airflow into the engine directly influences the amount of fuel supplied to the engine. With the stuck air gate the airflow into the engine is not properly measured so the engine control computer doesn't know to give it more fuel. Once the MAF air gate moves, the computer gives the engine more fuel and then it accelerates like normal.
 
Sorry it is a 22re auto tranny 340a the transmission shop has tested all said above hooke it up to computer and everything shifts fine so not solenoids or tourque converter. They think it is ecu that I have replaced and it does the same exact thing find it hard to beleive that both ecus have the same problem. Now that you mention it the engine really doesnt accelerate kinda stays steady when accelerating but truck itself just barely moves. It is totally intermitent sometimes it will do it at a stop sign sometimes when i shut it off for 5 min then start it again. No solid pattern to its madness. I have checked all conections and there doesnt seem to be any corrosion thats why I was leaninf twords afm can I fix it somehow or do I have to replace it if that is the problem. I just know its not the tranny as the guys that rebuilt it have been more than helpful trying to figure the problem out and they r like me beating there head against a wall.
 
It depends on how it is dying. If it is the electronics in it, then you need to get a replacement. If it is corrosion in the air box part, then you can sand off that corrosion, but it requires opening up the air box portion which can be difficult due to some really small screws.

You can visually look for corrosion, and check for free motion of the flapper gate. The AFM is attached to the top of the air filter box. Detach it form the ductwork to the engine air intake manifold. Shine a light into the end and look for corroded wall sides. The corrosion will be white and rough. Try moving the flapper. It may bind some. If it does that is a sure sign of corrosion. If you have corrosion issues, then bite the bullet and detach the electrical connector. There is a thin spring wire that serves to keep it in place. It can be lifted out of place on both ends and the connector will easily come off. Otherwise it is near impossible to remove. Don't bend the wire as you need it to keep the connector on when you reassemble it later.

To open up the air box to get access to the corroded interior walls you need to remove the AL air box from the top of the filter box. Once done, then you will see a cover plate held on with a number of small screws. They are JIS standard Philips screws. Find a screwdriver that fits very well, and use allot of pressure when initially getting them to turn, or you will round the Phillips slots off. A bit of the caulking used to seal the airbox must get into the screw threading and make they difficult to remove. If you do round the slots off of one or two, drill the heads off and don't worry. Use a left hand drill bit and you may be able to remove the screw. otherwise remove the head so you can remove the plate. The cover has a seal of some sort of caulking. Cut it and pry up the cover carefully. You don't want to bend it. Once the cover is off you can then use sandpaper to remove the corrosion from the interior surfaces and the edges of the air gate. You don't need to remove the flapper. Removing it requires access into the part where the electronics are, and that would put the electronics at risk of getting wet. When you are done sanding off the corrosion, check to see if the flapper moves freely. It should not have any binding or roughness in it's motion at all. Put the cover back on, again being careful not to round off any of the screw heads. If you bent the cover you will have to use some caulk to seal it, if not it may seal well enough without it. After the cover is secured, again check for free motion. Reattach the AFM to the top of the air filter box, and reinstall.

Another thing to check are the tubes from the AFM to the engine intake manifold. If they have any cracks, then air will get by the AFM and cause fuel starvation.

On a side note, with my '89 removing the corrosion this way seams to last 9 to 12 months and I have to do it again. At the farm I have lots of problems with mice chewing through the air filter* and when that happens, the corrosion seams to return more quickly. The bastards piddle up in the part of the air box they can access. That hastens the corrosion.

* The air filters get seeds trapped in them and the mice chew up the paper elements to get at the seeds.
 
Thanks a bunch brother sounds like a weekend project I am sure that has got to be what it is and I dont have the money for a new one around 800 at toyota, I was raised on a farm in MT get u a truck cat that will take care of those da** mice thanks again.
 
Ok so I said screw it bought a reman afm from cool place on ebay for 125.00 for a reman aisin afm wow right so I will install it tomorrow and see if this fixes my problem if not sure beats 800.00 toyota wants for the same part remaned.
 
OK so I changed it still same problem better throtle response and eliminated slight shutter that it had but still same problem. I am losing my mind literally the mechanics say its the tranny the tranny guys say its the electronics, ecu is what they say it is, I swapped it with another ecu same problem. I told them that I find it hard to beleive that 2 ecus would have the same exact effect. They seem to think its possible. I don't know what to do next the tranny guys said to bring it in and they were going to pull the tranny and look at everything again please if any one has ever had this problem or can help with a suggestion please I am open to anything and if anyone needs a used AFM I have a decent one sitting on the shelf LOL.
 
*Not to sound snooty, you replaced the trans ecu or the engine ecu? There's a trans ecu also.

Inspected the sub console assembly for debris and gunk gumming up the safety switch and shift point assemblies?

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*2wd Console used for ease of viewing the area to clean and grease as well as inspect.

Toggled the ECT switch on and off, after the engine has come to operating temp? Do the shift points get higher and does it shift harder or not? :popcorn:
 
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:bang:Man of all the stupid everyone can have a laugh on me it was the egr sad thing is no mechanic could diagnose it but I met an old tech that figured out my problem in 3 hrs. I know it sounds like alot but took that long for it to act up so he could figure it out, Thanks to everyone on here I am sure most anyone on here would have figured it out if I could explain things better but it was more of a drive it to feel it deal.
 
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