Liability Insurance from TLCA

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I know that when a club is a active club in TLCA that they are covered by the insurance. The question that I have is, when can that isurance be used. Is it everytime that the club has a club run, and who is covered under it.

Also does anyone know where I can find out more info about this. I just want to make sure that I am covered in case of an accident.
 
The TLCA insurance is for event coverage, you are only covered if your club schedules an event and applies for the insurance and there is a fee involved. The EVP is the contact for the insurance.
 
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I know that when a club is a active club in TLCA that they are covered by the insurance. The question that I have is, when can that isurance be used. Is it everytime that the club has a club run, and who is covered under it.

Also does anyone know where I can find out more info about this. I just want to make sure that I am covered in case of an accident.

to confirm, your club is not covered by any insurance simply because it is a TLCA Chapter.
Your TLCA Chapter club can secure coverage for events and club runs by submitting a request and check to the TLCA EVP. The cost is $259.

Insurance coverage for club runs can be secured under what is called ... hmmm, I'll have to go look for exact terminology... but basically for a club run in which only club members are covered. Most clubs do not do this due to the cost for a simple club run.

you can find out specifics by reviewing the TLCA by laws and SOPs.

lets see, TLCA Event sponsorship consists of Hosted (Rubithon), Sanctioned (CM, GSMTR, Black Hills - must be TLCA only) Open (Frolic, Gambol - open to non TLCA members) Rally - PMC Swap Meet, no OHV activities Restricted - vehicle type specific (originating from CCC) and the last one is called... Limited - local Club members, club runs with only club members.

This info is located the SOPs.
 
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And to clarify further, the TLCA insurance does NOT cover participants. It covers the sponsoring club's members, specifically officers and the club itself. It is for liability ONLY. All participants, including sponsoring club members and officers need to have their own insurance for medical and any vehicle damage. Clubs who sponsor events should make sure all participants, including their own club members, have valid vehicle and medical insurance. The upside is that it is very affordable for clubs who wish to sponsor events and protect themselves from liability. My recollection is that the coverage is a million bucks or thereabouts. It is mandatory for securing permits from BLM for events on BLM land.
 
excellent point.
 
Here is what John Sourbeer wrote. It has a better description of events.

1. We have $1,000,000 liability coverage for participants and spectators for all 'social events' that any of our Chapter Clubs hold. That means your monthly meeting has liability coverage of something happens. this is automatic, and I did not even know we had this! Kinda cool. We also have a 'host liquor' license, which means we are still covered if we are giving away alcohol, but we are NOT covered if we take money for alcohol. Handing out a beer is fine, charging $5 a cup is NOT. A 'social event' is basically any event where the wheels are not moving, so no runs of any kind. They must have an actual event policy.

2. Poker Runs: $1,000,000 liability for spectators and participants. Covered do NOT have to be TLCA members or even registered for the event. HOWEVER...vehicles must be insured and legal for road use to be covered by our policy. I know that we check this at Cruise Moab, but not sure other events do. There is an additional policy we can purchase to cover buggies, I am getting more info on that now. we also have a $100,000 coverage that covers any damage we might incur on emergency vehicles such as fire trucks, police cars, ambulances, etc while they are attending to any issues we might have. In addition to the Poker Run, we also have Class I coverage for any event at NO additional cost. This is for longer events, such as Cruise Moab, and for anytime you need overnight coverage like camping. A Class I event is a reportable event and we must let them know, but there is no additional cost. I will start asking events if they require any kind of overnight coverage and if they are longer than 3-4 days. For week long events we may need to purchase additional coverage or break it up into multiple events.

Any questions? Please let me know.

Thanks.

John Sourbeer
 
Just a casual observation here, but there seems to be a lot of contradictory information in these posts...so who's right?
 
Roger, Tony and Jeff are correct with regards to TLCA insurance... not sure where the text Dan posted came from but it appears to be related to something else or some other organization.

Roger noted valid for events. I added in that there is an option for club runs but no one uses it because: must be only club members in attendance and the cost.

Jeff noted the insurance only covers TLCA Board and anyone else listed on the writer (usually event organizers, Forest Service, any land owner, etc).

Dan posted up text from John which describes poker runs which we do not specifically call out; however, he might be quoting directly from our insurance coverage document which I am not familiar with. Some of that is quite surprising.

Hope that helps clear up some confusion, and thanks for asking.
 
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It was sent from John through TLCA BodReps.

I did a cut and past from John's email. The original thread was started a few years ago so maybe things changed, I don't know. This has been a discussed topic during our TLCA clubs planning events through out the year.


The way I read it, if our monthly TLCA club meeting is held as a wrenching weekend, we are covered under the TLCA liability insurance. I may be reading it wrong.
 
It was sent from John through TLCA BodReps.

I did a cut and past from John's email. The original thread was started a few years ago so maybe things changed, I don't know. This has been a discussed topic during our TLCA clubs planning events through out the year.


The way I read it, if our monthly TLCA club meeting is held as a wrenching weekend, we are covered under the TLCA liability insurance. I may be reading it wrong.

I have a copy of the Cruise Moab policy in front of me and it does not say anything other than covering Cruise Moab, the event (dates, locations, etc.), it doesn't say anything about covering our chapter events which are not TLCA events. My understanding is that chapters have to pay to have their events covered, and submit the paperwork, etc. I know I did this for many years I was on the Cruise Moab Committee. Maybe Jon has additional paperwork I haven't seen. I am a couple days behind in my emails and came here first this evening.
 
I know that Erik C. sent me a copy of an insurance policy to look at, but I have not had time yet.

I am genuinely curious if there is an issue with making the policy available for viewing online for the clubs to look at themselves? Maybe it would help them see better one of the more tangible benefits of remaining a chapter in TLCA?

Best

Mark A.
 
I have a copy of the Cruise Moab policy in front of me and it does not say anything other than covering Cruise Moab, the event (dates, locations, etc.), it doesn't say anything about covering our chapter events which are not TLCA events. My understanding is that chapters have to pay to have their events covered, and submit the paperwork, etc. I know I did this for many years I was on the Cruise Moab Committee. Maybe Jon has additional paperwork I haven't seen. I am a couple days behind in my emails and came here first this evening.

actually all of that quoted text was sent my me to the BODREPS list and was information I received directly from our insurance carrier. Jeff, the certificate you are looking at is only for Cruise Moab, it is not our policy, just one certificate for one event. Chapters do have to pay for their events, but the information that all "social events" are covered automaticlly was news to me also.

Timm
 
Timm. Do you have the full text of the main unbrella policy for TLCA? I know I don't have an old one at the house anymore, i've moved twice since I started on the BOD and it's hard enough to get old transfer cases moved much less paperwork I don't think i'd ever need.
What I sent mark was just the certificate of coverage not the "verbage" which all of us know by our auto policies at home are Pages and pages of "Legalese". That verbage is most likely what Mr Sourbeer is referring to. I'll see if it's possible to obtain it in PDF format for clarification.
if avail it might be a good idea to post on the TLCA website in a secure fashion for chapters to review prior to events and maybe a FAQ section for club delegates(how to get on bod reps, how to get minutes, etc) and an insurance faq (how to obtain, when to obtain, whom to contact and what info is needed ((Ex additional insured verbage)) and possibly an example of a correct form)
From past experience in doing Timm's job I utilized the prior forms and prior conversations with clubs to obtain the needed paperwork for their events. Another idea on the FAQ to help Timm out would be a time frame needed prior to an event to have all the insurance and sanctioning stuff filled out. As well as amount $ for insurance, how to determine $ due to TLCA post event, timeframe to pay up etc.
I'd be willing to assist and help obtain the info and help write the questions and answers.

Food for thought. I think it would show a value to the Clubs and events.
 
All great points and I will gather the info asap.

But I repeat, what is posted earlier in this thread that is said to come from Mr Sourbeer is actually what I sent to the list and is information I gathered. Just don't want us to get confused.

Timm. Do you have the full text of the main unbrella policy for TLCA? I know I don't have an old one at the house anymore, i've moved twice since I started on the BOD and it's hard enough to get old transfer cases moved much less paperwork I don't think i'd ever need.
What I sent mark was just the certificate of coverage not the "verbage" which all of us know by our auto policies at home are Pages and pages of "Legalese". That verbage is most likely what Mr Sourbeer is referring to. I'll see if it's possible to obtain it in PDF format for clarification.
if avail it might be a good idea to post on the TLCA website in a secure fashion for chapters to review prior to events and maybe a FAQ section for club delegates(how to get on bod reps, how to get minutes, etc) and an insurance faq (how to obtain, when to obtain, whom to contact and what info is needed ((Ex additional insured verbage)) and possibly an example of a correct form)
From past experience in doing Timm's job I utilized the prior forms and prior conversations with clubs to obtain the needed paperwork for their events. Another idea on the FAQ to help Timm out would be a time frame needed prior to an event to have all the insurance and sanctioning stuff filled out. As well as amount $ for insurance, how to determine $ due to TLCA post event, timeframe to pay up etc.
I'd be willing to assist and help obtain the info and help write the questions and answers.

Food for thought. I think it would show a value to the Clubs and events.
 
If anybody wants a full copy of the TLCA complete insurance policy, please email me at membership@tlca.org. It is a pdf file & roughly 47 pages in length. This document is available for anybody that wishes to view it as it is OUR policy.
 
If anybody wants a full copy of the TLCA complete insurance policy, please email me at membership@tlca.org. It is a pdf file & roughly 47 pages in length. This document is available for anybody that wishes to view it as it is OUR policy. :cheers:
 

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