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it is highly recommended that you not try to measure voltage with a multimeter with the leads still set up for current measurement... :o


thanks, Fluke, for (apparently and hopefully) a well designed fuse system... :)




[ironically, I had first used my cheapo HF multimeter to be sure not to fry my expensive Fluke in case the currents were higher than the 10A rating on the Fluke. After I saw only 3A or so, I switched to the Fluke for amps. Of course, later on I forgot to reset the leads on the Fluke and ZAP!.... sheesh.....]



where do I buy a 10A 1000V fast BUSS fuse? the fat 1/4" cylindrical affair
 
saw some on ebay quite a bit cheaper than Grainger etc.

Amazingly enough, even with the cheaper fuses on Ebay, I could buy 4 HF complete multimeters with ammeter capabilities for the cost of one Fluke fuse. Ain't globalization great? :eek:
 
I'm kinda of known for doing this.. lol. I now keep a couple spares in my data bag. I found them at Home Depot believe it or not. This is for an Ideal meter. Not sure about Flukes.
 
The el cheapo ratshack meters I have don't have fuses, but then they also have survived "amp testing" of a forklift battery.:eek: I seam to "amp test" something after every legitimate Amp checking I do.
 
I'm kinda of known for doing this.. lol. I now keep a couple spares in my data bag. I found them at Home Depot believe it or not. This is for an Ideal meter. Not sure about Flukes.

I did go check HD, thanks for the tip.
Unfortunately they only had time delay fuses and I definitely don't want those for my expensive Fluke.
 
OK, well, what can I say, some of us are a tad forgetful when bent on doing stuff...




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don't do this a second time with a different multimeter, either..... :o
 
I know it's an old thread, but it resonated with me. Have been tracing a starter/alternator/battery issue and toasted my old trusty sperry multimeter. At first didn't realize my mistake but then after the burnt smell I suspected I blew the fuse and then read up and understood the mistake. Opened up the multimeter and realized a fuse was the least of my problems :-) It was fried.

So I bought a nice Klein MM1000 and accidentally blew the fuse on it (two ways - one by accidentally leaving it in current setting while intending to test voltage, and also b/c the current measurement was spiking cyclicly b/w Amps and mA while I was in the mA setting and didn't realize it at the time).

Then realized that the Klein had the expensive and hard to find in a pinch High Energy fuses (same as fluke). I'm talking $15 for the 11A and $10 for the 440ma fuses individually (go to ebay for packs of 5).

I loved the Klein but knew I'd blow fuses in the future and didn't want to deal with hard to find and costly fuses. So I got annoyed by these fuses and looked into it further - why did some $60-$100 multimeters use the hard to find fuses and some use "easy to find at radio shack" fuses? And what constitues a "High Energy" fuse and do I really want/need it?

I found some good literature on the topic below:
1) http://support.fluke.com/find-sales/Download/Asset/2041429_6001_ENG_A_W.PDF ("Choosing the correct fuse for your tester") - see the section "When does a tester become a grenade?". Basically
2) http://support.fluke.com/find-sales/download/asset/1263690_6116_eng_h_w.pdf ("The ABCs of Multimeter Safety")
3) http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5990-4578EN.pdf ("Think safety when selecting a handheld digital multimeter")
4) http://www.newark.com/pdfs/techarticles/agilent/increasingSafetyForInstallationMaintenance.pdf ("Going The Extra Mile To Ensure Safety Of Field Engineers In I&M Application")


Here's more from the first fluke link:
"When does a tester become a grenade?
Manufacturers specify in manuals and often on the meter the required amerage, interrupt and voltage ratings for replacement fuses. If you select a fuse without these ratings, or even worse, place a wire around the fuse connections, believe it or not, you have just created a thermal hand grenade. You just need the right conditions to set it off. You probably won’t get an explosion while working on a printer, computer, copier or equipment that has its own power supply (CAT I). You might even get away with working on branch circuits (CAT II) without setting it off. These two environments are fairly low energy and often have built-in fuse protection, circuit breakers and over-current protection circuits. However, its not a good idea nor a safe way to work. When you move to an electrical distribution cabinet (CAT III) or primary feed-lines (CAT IV), the protection circuits change significantly. In the distribution panel you have breakers between you and the power company rated at hundreds of amps instead of the 15, 20 or 30 amp breaker on a branch circuit. When measuring voltage on the input side of a breaker panel at a residence, the protection is now back at the utility pole or the substation. These breakers can carry thousands of amps before opening and take considerable more time to open than a branch circuit breaker. So when you accidentally leave the leads in the amps jacks and place the meter leads across one of these voltage sources without an appropriately-fused tester, you have put your life in grave danger.

The plasma fireball
In this situation, the short represented by the wrong fuse (or the wire wrapped around the fuse connections) and the test leads are fed by an almost unlimited amount of energy. The metal element in the fuse (or wire) heats up very quickly and begins to vaporize creating a little explosion. In the case of the wrong fuse, the fuse enclosure may burst open from the force of the explosion to find an unlimited amount of oxygen to fuel a plasma fireball. The test leads may also start to melt, and very quickly fire and hot metal gets on your hands, arms, face and clothing. How long the energy remains applied to the tester, the oxygen available and the presence of safety equipment like face shields and heavy gloves will determine how serious your injuries will be. This all takes place in milliseconds and leaves very little time to react to the mistake. If you’re lucky, you may be thrown clear of the leads or tester and thus break the circuit. But luck is not much to count on, especially when you could avoid the problem altogether by using the proper fuse.

Using the proper fuse
Specially designed “high-energy” fuses are designed to keep the energy generated by such an electrical short within the fuse enclosure, thus protecting the user from electric shock and burns. These high-energy fuses are designed to limit the length of time the energy is applied and the amount of oxygen available for combustion. Fuses can not only be designed to open at a specified constant current, but at an instantaneous high current as well. This high current is specified as “minimum interrupt current.” Fluke uses fuses with a minimum interrupt rating of 10,000 and 17,000 amps in their testers. If you take a CAT III 1000 V meter with the test leads in the amps jacks, you will have a series resistance of approximately 0.1 ohms (0.01 for the shunt, 0.04 for the test leads and 0.05 for the fuse and circuit board conductors) between the leads. Now when you accidentally place the leads across a 1,000 volt source, by Ohms Law you will generate a current of 10,000 amps (E/R=I, 1,000/0.1 = 10,000). You want a fuse that will break that current and do it quickly. In addition to the specially designed fuse element, the highenergy fuse is filled with sand. The sand will not only help absorb the shock energy created by the exploding element, but the high temperatures (up to 10,000 °F) generated by the energy will melt the sand and turn it to glass. The glass coats the element and smoothers the fireball by cutting off the available oxygen, keeping you and the tester safe from harm. As you can see, not all fuses of the same amperage and voltage rating are the same. For your own safety you need to be sure the fuses you use are the ones the engineer designed into the tester. Always refer to the tester’s manual, or check with the tester manufacturer to ensure you have the correct fuse. You can always get replacement fuses for Fluke testers by ordering the part number listed in the tester’s manual. Your safety is worth much more than the money it takes to purchase the proper fuse for which the tester was designed.
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oh, dammit, I did it again... :o Made a nice spark too.

fortunately, with a freebie HF meter. At least I'm learning my lesson on that part... :)

I'll take it apart to see what effect this little errr.... experiment had... the voltmeter part seems to work still though -well at least as well as HF volt measurements ever do, which is not saying much...



added: well, I'll be damned. The fuse is still good. Which of course could mean that the rest of the ammeter circuit got fried. Have not checked that part yet.
 
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Lol! i just went back to HF and bought a new one and a month later POW! went back to HF.
 
somebody puleeeze come up with an idiot-proof system to prevent me from doing this yet again.....


mmm.... tight rubber band on the wrist maybe? or -more techlike- a visegrip somewhere... :) OK, OK, maybe an alligator clip on the probe...?
 
Buy two meters, set one up for Amps, one for Volts and paint them a different color?

I pick up those HF meters everytime i get a chance. It's cheaper to buy a new meter with a battery in it than to replace the batteries on the old one, especially when I get it for free. Have a drawer full of them and scattered around the house.

For most automotive and household stuff Flukes are overkill, plus there's no need to risk them in an engine compartment where they might get dropped or dirty. The cheap HF works great when you're just testing voltage and continuity most of the time.
 
Buy two meters, set one up for Amps, one for Volts and paint them a different color?

I pick up those HF meters everytime i get a chance. It's cheaper to buy a new meter with a battery in it than to replace the batteries on the old one, especially when I get it for free. Have a drawer full of them and scattered around the house.

For most automotive and household stuff Flukes are overkill, plus there's no need to risk them in an engine compartment where they might get dropped or dirty. The cheap HF works great when you're just testing voltage and continuity most of the time.

That is a very good recommendations. I tend to smoke one up every year or two because I forgot that i had not changed the settings. Good thing I just buy the cheap ones.
 
oh, dammit, I did it again... :o Made a nice spark too.

fortunately, with a freebie HF meter. At least I'm learning my lesson on that part... :)

I'll take it apart to see what effect this little errr.... experiment had... the voltmeter part seems to work still though -well at least as well as HF volt measurements ever do, which is not saying much...



added: well, I'll be damned. The fuse is still good. Which of course could mean that the rest of the ammeter circuit got fried. Have not checked that part yet.
I would use a multitester to check what went wrong, um nevermind.
 
I only have 3 or 4 more of the HFs. Time to go back to the store for more freebies... :)
 
The higher end Fluke meters will BEEP if you have a probe in either of the Amp jacks and you set the meter to a non-Amp reading position.

I also immediately unplug the test lead from either current jack when I've finished a current measurement.

I tend to use a DC current clamp meter when possible.

cheers,
george.
 
....and epoxy the dials :flipoff2:

I actually had the idea of creating a faceplate or cover to go over the meter that would block the dial and lead jacks in certain positions, so you couldn't physically plug in your lead to the volt jack while the dial was in the amp position. Kinda like an interlock plate. But with an almost endless supply of cheap/free volt meters from HF, it's not real high on my priority list. It's ironic that I don't think I've ever blown the fuse on a cheapo meter, for some reason I always remember to switch the leads. But I feel like I always forget on the flukes.
 

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