snobdds said:
That someone bitching about teachers and can't spell or use proper grammar is ironic. I'm not really sure what the counter is unless that person also doesn't know what irony is, which seems rather probable.
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That someone bitching about teachers and can't spell or use proper grammar is ironic. I'm not really sure what the counter is unless that person also doesn't know what irony is, which seems rather probable.
It would seem that person would have something to bitch about.
It's ironic to use irony to counter perceived irony. There's the irony or am I missing something.
I do a lot of business in Chicago and have family there. So there is at least a slight connection for me to be concerned. If that, coupled with the fact this could set a road map for other districts around the country to follow suit, everyone should be worried.
I understand your view on this since your livelihood is directly involved. It's human nature to lookout for ones' own best interest, but who is looking out for the best interest of the students. They don't have a big union behind them asking for better instruction. They're the pawns in this game, being held hostage until the "grown-ups" get the best deal for their stability. Somewhere along the line we lost sight of what instruction is about...the students.
Oh, I did not have my secatary review this for me. My game is in Actuary which is a profession for people who lack the abilty to spell and use grammer.
Wait.......what are we talking about?
It's in the best interest for the union to settle for a fairly good pay raise, which they would do if that's all there was to this, but they continue to strike over the class sizes and conditions in the buildings, which are as much of a concern to the students as anybody else. The parents don't give a s*** about the students being where they can learn, they just want them baby-sat.
50 kids in an unair-conditioned classroom on August 15th can be pretty brutal
50 kids in an unair-conditioned classroom on August 15th can be pretty brutal
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Also add to the list:
1. Length of school day
2. Teacher evaluations tied to student performance
3. School closings which would result in lots of teacher layoffs
I get the fact that there are (maybe disporptionly) parents that could care less about their student’s role in school. Albeit to poverty, substance abuse, economic factors etc., however the only thing that has been proven to turn those around is education.
I am a big fan of performance reviews to bring attention to issues a person might have. If afterwards they don't right the ship, I send them down the river. I would not know what to do if I had to just keep an employee because of his years of service. It's not good to keep dead weight around because that will catch up. I don't see why we can't have this in the schools. But maybe I am not seeing it correct, if there is a flaw here...let me know.
This was not reviewed for grammar or spelling, nor would I be even able to recognize it if there was a mistake.
Length of the school day certainly is an issue. You wouldn't like it much if your boss came to you and said he wanted you to work more hours every week for no more pay. Especially if you had already capitulated a number of times on this issue with no reciprocation from the administration.
The teacher evaluations tied to student performance is something you might understand if you were a teacher. If I have a lot of Special Ed students and I do good things with them does that make me a bad teacher? But they scored much lower than the AP teacher's kids did on the test. Should he get paid more for teaching the easier kids? I teach my kids ways to be critical thinkers. The guy across the hall teacher the answers to the test. Which kids are going to be better prepared for life? If I sacrifice salary, safety and well-being to teach in the inner city should my salary be tied to their socio-economic issues at home that makes it much harder to do well on the test? Or should we just drop those students who are at-risk because they will kill our test scores if we allow them to stay in school? I think teachers should get merit pay too. Most good teachers do, but how to measure that is a whole 'nother animal. Test scores are not the way.
The new state evaluation system is a step in the right direction now, but not when those test score evals start kicking in. They already have for principals.
As to the last - Rahm is trying to take out the union by opening more non-union charter schools, then closing the regular schools. Whether the rank and file gives a s***, it's in the union's interest to do something about that.
The teacher evaluations tied to student performance is something you might understand if you were a teacher. If I have a lot of Special Ed students and I do good things with them does that make me a bad teacher? But they scored much lower than the AP teacher's kids did on the test. Should he get paid more for teaching the easier kids? I teach my kids ways to be critical thinkers. The guy across the hall teacher the answers to the test. Which kids are going to be better prepared for life? If I sacrifice salary, safety and well-being to teach in the inner city should my salary be tied to their socio-economic issues at home that makes it much harder to do well on the test? Or should we just drop those students who are at-risk because they will kill our test scores if we allow them to stay in school? I think teachers should get merit pay too. Most good teachers do, but how to measure that is a whole 'nother animal. Test scores are not the way.
The new state evaluation system is a step in the right direction now, but not when those test score evals start kicking in. They already have for principals.
As to the last - Rahm is trying to take out the union by opening more non-union charter schools, then closing the regular schools. Whether the rank and file gives a s***, it's in the union's interest to do something about that.
Also add to the list:
1. Length of school day
2. Teacher evaluations tied to student performance
3. School closings which would result in lots of teacher layoffs
I get the fact that there are (maybe disporptionly) parents that could care less about their student’s role in school. Albeit to poverty, substance abuse, economic factors etc., however the only thing that has been proven to turn those around is education.
I am a big fan of performance reviews to bring attention to issues a person might have. If afterwards they don't right the ship, I send them down the river. I would not know what to do if I had to just keep an employee because of his years of service. It's not good to keep dead weight around because that will catch up. I don't see why we can't have this in the schools. But maybe I am not seeing it correct, if there is a flaw here...let me know.
This was not reviewed for grammar or spelling, nor would I be even able to recognize it if there was a mistake.
Amazingly, I have some first hand knowledge in this arena. I taught high school math and science in a suburban/rural Illinois district for two years. What I saw was a very arbitrary use of performance evaluations to either prop up teachers who needed to have their butts kicked or get rid of teachers who just didn't fit with the plans of the administration.
I also saw classes come on from the middle schools with a long history of 90% or better scores of at grade level or above that strangely transformed into barely 60% by the time they walked into the high school door. If an algebra teacher were to be evaluated on the success of his/her freshman students, he'd be fired for sure. The problem is that the students are coming in unprepared and the administration has a test result that says otherwise so they are blind to it. (the tests given at the lower levels are basically worthless)
Oh, and this suburban/rural district decided that the solution to their issue of falling high school math scores was less math instruction because they would rather spend the money elsewhere. They weren't a failing district based on NCLB, yet, but they were a years later. But go ahead and blame it on that algebra teacher who needs to be fired for not having enough of their students score well on standardized math tests.
Not that every teacher in CPS can show thus kind of stupidity surrounding their performance-based evaluations, but with mess CPS has made of everything else under their control, I'd be really surprised they wouldn't screw this up royally.
I have no sympathy for the school day issue. I work year round and i have to work extra tough s*** and i dont get any extra pay if i work longer. I also dont get 3 months off in addition to whatever sick and vacation time i accrued. Shouldnt the tax paying population get a say on this? Throw this out to a vote and be done with it.
It seems like trying to tie teacher performance to student performance is problematic. I guess there could be a peer review, but that too could become political. How about a hybrid way of performance emulations like they do in college. A review based upon 1/3 peer, 1/3 admin, 1/3 testing results? I know teachers know who is good and who is bad. Administrators always are going to have a say in it because they do the hiring and firing. That leaves the test results; we need to know where the students stand, but the results cannot carry too much weight.
I thought Rahm was in the unions back pocket. If he is killing off the unions by way of charter schools, then he is guilty of killing the goose that lays the golden egg.
I thought Rahm was in the unions back pocket. If he is killing off the unions by way of charter schools, then he is guilty of killing the goose that lays the golden egg.
.....see wasn't that nice.
No. Apparently the state ate my share of the bacon along with the money I paid into my pension 'cause I didn't get any fxxxing bacon.
The state took my bacon and gave it to some whiney teachers.
If we want to talk about the actuarial projection of the CPS system in terms of finances’...Chicago is screwed. Leveraged to the tune of 500 million dollars with a tax base already levied to the gills.
Speaking of breakfast...last time I was in Chicago I had the best bacon I've ever had in my life. A colleague took me to a place called Lou Mitchells near downtown. That place is for real...but I am probably preaching to the choir.
Speaking of breakfast...last time I was in Chicago I had the best bacon I've ever had in my life. A colleague took me to a place called Lou Mitchells near downtown. That place is for real...but I am probably preaching to the choir.
I am always talking about bacon
Sometimes its boring to speak about the bacon directly, so I use metaphor's like wheeling, camping, trucks, and gay sex.... What have all of you been talking about for the past 8 years?