Collecting funds for Hurricane Irene relief in Vermont

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I'm glad someone else did it. Not to belittle the catastrophic effects that were felt up North due to the flooding, but we have a lot of destruction in the local area that needs to be dealt with. We got the brunt of a borderline Cat 3 hurricane, was it even a Tropical Storm when it got to VT?
 
You have my apologies folks, I meant no disrespect. I was moving quickly through the TLCA forums looking for large and active clubs that might make donations. I carelessly tossed this message out to your club. Certainly many of you have been affected by this storm, as we are, hopefully you can return your attention there.
 
Up north is dealing with alot of flooding. Geographicaly they have a lot more rivers and streams then we do down hear on the coast. So they are prone to flooding. I find it funny that the media doesn't give a rats ass about nc anymore! Ny, NJ and Vt are all they care about. I wonder what happened to all the other states up north?

Sorry for my rant...Ive been working 12 hour days cleaning up this crap. If any of the "raleigh crowd" wants to keep up with whats going on down at the coast go to

WITN - Eastern NC News & Weather - Greenville NC, Jacksonville NC, New Bern, Washington NC - Home Page
 
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Vt cruiser thank you for helping people in your community.

I would like ot visit vermont someday try out some of that syrup. :grinpimp:
 
You have my apologies folks, I meant no disrespect. I was moving quickly through the TLCA forums looking for large and active clubs that might make donations. I carelessly tossed this message out to your club. Certainly many of you have been affected by this storm, as we are, hopefully you can return your attention there.

None taken, We've seen the amount of flooding that is going on, and the old covered bridge going into the river is heartbreaking. We're a little more used to the effects down here, and sand drains a lot better than rock...

Good luck, we know what you guys are going through, since Floyd came through...
 
I need to vent here for a second.

I am tired of hearing / seeing on the news about how VT's are mad that they still do not have power. You hear nothing about that down here. We still have plenty of people out of power down here and our people know it takes time and they are not getting the government involved.People really need to go live in a third world country for awhile and see what it is like before they complain about missing some power here for a week. Why don't these same people get off of their buts and help build these roads that are gone or atleast try to do something to help others instead of just getting on tv and complaining. I know its not all people up there but it is enough that the government is now involved.

Thanks for letting me vent and you having to read this, but i have been to plenty of third world countries and civilians here do not know how good they really have it.
 
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I have to agree with you - saw the news this morning saying that lawmakers were thinking of setting damages on the power companies for not getting power back up after 6 days up north(where I lived most of my life). Har - when we lived in Durham and had that ice storm in 2000? we were without power for 7 straight days - I am pretty sure that the utility companies are working as hard/quickly as possible..... sheesh. Life without power sucks, but still continues......unless I am missing something?
 
Yeah, we were down in Wilmington for Fran and Bonnie. I think we were also without power for about a week also.

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uhh...

I agree with Darin, go experience a thrid word country and see how bad other people have it. We are very lucky hear in the the good ole usa. I blame the media for most the :censor: and the govt doesnt help out.
 
Don't really think we should turn this thread that had good intentions into a pissing match about N vs S.

Just my 2 cents..... which is not due to de-flation only worth 1 cent
 
It's not a N vs S pissing match, at least I don't take it that way. It's more of voicing a displeasure with the sense of entitlement that people seem to have developed to the point that government is becoming involved in "regulating" everything from healthcare now to post-catastrophe efforts.

I have friends that work in the power industry - 1 in particular that has worked 16 hour days for weeks straight following a disaster. The power companies can only do so much, but people need to understand these systems weren't built in a few days, and when there is extensive damage, they can't be repaired any faster. One anecdote comes to mind where my friend's crew spent a full day and 1/2 restoring power to 3 homes in a remote location in KY. That equivocated to about 96 man-hours. Sometimes, it's just not humanly possible to do more and all the bitching and moaning simply doesn't help anyone.

I have lived through several extensive power outages here in NC from ice storms and hurricanes. I sympathize with those who have lost power, but it's a friggin' act of God, and can't be prevented. I'd love to see some of these people try and manage the efforts to restore power any better than what's being done now. It's a specialized industry and you simply can't hop down to the local Home Depot and grab a bunch of unskilled laborers to help out.

And yes, it's amazing that people of Eastern NC have dealt with this year after year, and once the storm moved N of DC, it's almost like the media forgot what happened here.

I know the OP meant no disrespect, and committed an honest mistake. But from Adam's view, I'd be a bit miffed too. The lives of those in the NE are no more precious than those in our own state, but unless we are personally doing something to help, I don't see where we have much right to complain. In a nutshell, I think this is a great opportunity for ONSC to step up to the plate in some capacity!!
 
That's really not the point at all.
The OP posted looking for help, maybe he didn't know the devastation in NC maybe he did. Regardless that does not matter. If we want to create a thread about what is wrong with the country, certain parts of the country, the world then that is fine it is our board and can do what we want with it.
To jump over someones thread pointing fingers and complaining about the part of the country is just plain rude in my opinion.
Sure we jest among ourselves here about different parts of the country because that is always in good fun. Someone will make a crack about California to get a rise out of me and i'll do it in return to get a rise out of you.


I completely agree with the fact that people feel entitled to too much. The OP simply was looking for help from other cruiser heads with the devistation in his part of the region. He wasn't complaining about the power, not complaining about the government, not feeling that he is entitled to anything, he was simply asking for help. No one should ever be ridiculed for that nor have a post that was formed out of good interest turned into a bash on his state.

Anyway that's all i'm going to say because i'm off to a beautiful campsite in this wonderful state of ours.
Keefers, Shells i'll see you tomorrow, everyone else have a wonderful labor day weekend.
 
Don't really think we should turn this thread that had good intentions into a pissing match about N vs S.

Just my 2 cents..... which is not due to de-flation only worth 1 cent

Now Al, N vs S ????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Where am i from ????? :idea:

It was not directed to be north versus south, and if some got it that way then i am sorry but i am from about as far north as you can get. Granted been down here longer now but still dream of the Great White.

This not only fits here but down in LA also after the big one. :hillbilly: :hillbilly:
 
I'm not looking for an argument Al, I just don't think the tirades were intended towards the OP - the conversation shifted to the media coverage, government intervention, public criticism of the utility companies, etc. I know none of my comments were directed at vtcruiser, and Adam specifically thanked him for helping his folks.

Anyway, there are people that live in Hatteras that will just be allowed to return to their homes on Sunday. Wow! I'm thinking we can help in some way, but not sure how/when? If nothing else, our club has some funds we could free up for the disaster relief program here in NC. I vote we make it happen - if nothing else.

I admire your efforts vtcruiser60, and I'm certain we could follow your lead for our respective communities.

Ya'll have fun in da' woods... do your sites have power??? :D

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I was directing strictly to Media and Government myself.

And the tidbit about people in general was directed at everyone in the good ole USA that have never been to a third world country. If you have never been i could let you know of a few that would wake you up really fast. Again directed at anyone here in the Good ole USA.

Good on the club up there. But i also know we were hit hard in Nam a few months ago and no one bothered, aw never mind .....
 
No disrespect..

I met no disrapsect to vt either.

I was more ranting on the media forgetting about anything below dc. My wife works for WITN ch 7 nbc down hear and she agrees with me that the media basicly sucks!

everyone have a great weeken and stay safe. I hope everyone has ac this weekend. :grinpimp:
 
Folks....you all have a spirited group. Again I apologize for distracting you from your own disaster relief efforts.

Let me just add a couple of observations. The national news media is freaking worthless. We had better communication about affected regions in Vermont through our TLCA club forum. I saw video, pictures and reports on roads that were out via our forum well before it ever hit our local media, let alone the stuff that is on the national news media. We had guys and families across VT hit hard, and had folks counting heads to make sure things were ok. Folks lost property, livestock, but no lives---nor cruisers! So in terms of where we could get actual and helpful information it came from our fellow mudders.

Interestingly, the burst of micro-media reports via twitter, facebook and blog posts, has also proven to be a much more reliable source of current information about the flooding here in Vermont. Updated maps and reports take the form of crowd-sourced websites. These are interesting and now instrumental in guiding local relief. Here is an example from our neck of the woods, perhaps something like this exists in yours: Blurt: The Seven Days Staff Blog: Irene's Impact on Vermont: A Crowdsourced Map of Storm Photos and Videos (Updated 9/1)

As for why national media focuses on any particular story at the expense of others, I don't know and am not responsible. The local news has already featured the power companies from Illinois that are on the ground in Vermont lending a hand. Helicopters have been borrowed from states west of us. FEMA (whose VT headquarters was flooded) is really busting a hump out of temporary facilities themselves. It looks to me like the slow, inefficient, and huge hand of government is moving along just fine. But if your house is under 3 ft of mud, your neighbors have paid their respects, and you only had 3 minutes with a FEMA rep, I expect you would have a different opinion of your tax dollars at work. I get that.

As for why a tropical storm causes such pain over a place like VT (population of 600k), well there were a couple of issues. First, the worst parts of the storm dropped over 7 inches of rain (that's a lot). Second, the ground was already saturated from unusually high levels of rain in August, and a wet winter before that. Third, the mountainous areas across central VT cause the water to pool in valleys. Any town with a creek, stream or river was quickly inundated. Why was this flood a problem? That combination hasn't been seen since 1927. Since most towns in central and southern VT are really old places, like founded in the mid 1700s old, the construction is also old. Houses close to water (mill houses, general stores, etc....) couldn't withstand the floods. Anyway...moving water is powerful and that's all that happened here.

FYI...to complicate further......I have lived and worked for years in Louisiana, lived and worked in Charlotte, and now live and work in Vermont....to the extent any of that matters by way of credibility.

May I still wheel with you if I get down there?
 
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May I still wheel with you if I get down there?

You can be my wingman any time IceMan.

On a serious note, since one of our own interpreted these comments as rude or attacks on you, I sure hope you didn't as well. Message boards are finicky beasts - easy to read between the lines too much, or not enough.

I won't put words in anybody else's mouth, but:
- Godspeed to you and your community.
- You are contributing to the solution instead of bitching about the problem (more than most of us can say). Props
- VT is a beautiful place and I've never met anyone from VT I didn't genuinely like!
- The media has all but neglected NC since the storm affected NJ
- There is a lot of work to be done before people in both our state can return to normal life
- I am conservative and don't like big government :)
- Others can completely disagree with me, but I will fight for their right to do so!
- Ranger IPA is the best mass produced beer, ever
- There was no second shooter on the grassy knoll


:beer: Ramon
 
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