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[96LandcruiserPJ]

@96LandcruiserPJ Here are some stats for Dissent

1/4" Steel Frame Bracket + 10 gauge steel plate
Strategically gusseted/reinforced
80lbs w/ hardware (that worked out nicely)
Bolt-on, modular
Winch mount supports most non-integrated 8.5-12.5k winches, vertical fairlead mount prevents binding
7 different integrated configurations for aux lighting INSIDE bumper wings
Slotted holes on top of center section for additional aux lights
Optional Bull-bar or mid-height hoop/stinger
$1450 (March 2022)

That is awesome - thanks! And a great looking rig.

 

[Box Rocket]

Nope, Dave will just block me.


So the swingout mechanism is all of a sudden completely different on an 80 vs a 100... or a 200?

There’s way more to a bumper than the swingout mechanism.

 

[Outsane]

If any one is using this thread to pick out a bumper..

Go see them in person.. go to a meet up or some kind of 80s gathering. Gas station, skottle sale.

All of these bumpers look different in person.

If it's rear bumper open the swing outs close them and shake the rear tire.

 

[kem]

I know there's a lot of 200 owners with Dissent bumpers, but we're in the 80s section and talking about 80 bumpers so......

And 100 series, our best sellers.... my only point is we have a lot of units in the field being actively used. We have experience building quality armor that performs, and our 80 rear bumpers are the latest evolution of a design and system that has been thoroughly tested through continual product development. Your original point stated DVS was the best, slee a distant second and no one else even came close. I disagree and would be happy to prove differently any day

 

[Box Rocket]

And 100 series, our best sellers.... my only point is we have a lot of units in the field being actively used. We have experience building quality armor that performs, and our 80 rear bumpers are the latest evolution of a design and system that has been thoroughly tested through continual product development. Your original point stated DVS was the best, slee a distant second and no one else even came close. I disagree and would be happy to prove differently any day

I don’t doubt Dissent has a quality option for an 80 rear bumper. I’ve personally never seen one in person yet. So as I said in my first response, it’s my opinion, based on the bumpers I’ve seen in person (which is most of the commonly used professionally manufactured ones) DVS is still the leader.
I’m totally open to my opinion changing if I see something better whether it’s from Dissent or anyone else. So, I’m looking forward to more of the Dissent bumpers on more 80s. There’s no need to feel like I’m attacking or talking bad about anybody. It’s just an opinion. And frankly, I don’t think many people even care what one guys opinion is.

 

[benc]

There’s way more to a bumper than the swingout mechanism.

That is certainly true but the swing outs are so often an after thought In my opinion.
If you will be at cruise moab I encourage you to stop by, check some out in person and say hi. We will have a 60,80,100 and several 200s in our areas for vendor night.
@torfab will be running one on his 80 as well. And will be set up next to us most likely. On that note, the dvs bumper is not my style I do have much respect for the design and engineering they put into their products! Not many do that these days.

 

[BILT4ME]

That is certainly true but the swing outs are so often an after thought In my opinion.
If you will be at cruise moab I encourage you to stop by, check some out in person and say hi. We will have a 60,80,100 and several 200s in our areas for vendor night.
@torfab will be running one on his 80 as well. And will be set up next to us most likely. On that note, the dvs bumper is not my style I do have much respect for the design and engineering they put into their products! Not many do that these days. View attachment 2973485

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That is some beautiful welding.

I wish I could see that every day!

 

[Somebodyelse5]

That is certainly true but the swing outs are so often an after thought In my opinion.
If you will be at cruise moab I encourage you to stop by, check some out in person and say hi. We will have a 60,80,100 and several 200s in our areas for vendor night.
@torfab will be running one on his 80 as well. And will be set up next to us most likely. On that note, the dvs bumper is not my style I do have much respect for the design and engineering they put into their products! Not many do that these days. View attachment 2973485

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You win, @benc is the GOAT!

If I wanted to run your 80 bumper with no swingouts, could I call and talk about that? Have been on the fence about a 4x4labs rear mostly because i can run it naked

I am on the anti-swingout team these days... too much effort to put my 30 racks in the back

 

[benc]

You win, @benc is the GOAT!

If I wanted to run your 80 bumper with no swingouts, could I call and talk about that? Have been on the fence about a 4x4labs rear mostly because i can run it naked

I am on the anti-swingout team these days... too much effort to put my 30 racks in the back

Yes sir! Just order the bumper by it’s self and you could add swing arms later if ever desired.

 

[Somebodyelse5]

Yes sir! Just order the bumper by it’s self and you could add swing arms later if ever desired.

You haaaaaad to tell me that…. Ok. On the site. Is that the option for 1.9k (uncoated)

 

[FMC80]

That is certainly true but the swing outs are so often an after thought In my opinion.
If you will be at cruise moab I encourage you to stop by, check some out in person and say hi. We will have a 60,80,100 and several 200s in our areas for vendor night.
@torfab will be running one on his 80 as well. And will be set up next to us most likely. On that note, the dvs bumper is not my style I do have much respect for the design and engineering they put into their products! Not many do that these days. View attachment 2973485

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I oftentimes read of other people's enjoyment at the ease of opening and closing the swingarms on Delta VS bumpers. There are videos on it and it looks remarkably easy to actuate the latch which is a selling point for me for obvious reasons.

Do you guys have any vids showing the same operation? My quick google searches led me to some YouTube vids but nothing that specifically focused on your latching mechanism for the swingarms.

 

[MickeyB]

I oftentimes read of other people's enjoyment at the ease of opening and closing the swingarms on Delta VS bumpers. There are videos on it and it looks remarkably easy to actuate the latch which is a selling point for me for obvious reasons.

Do you guys have any vids showing the same operation? My quick google searches led me to some YouTube vids but nothing that specifically focused on your latching mechanism for the swingarms.

Just search for videos showing the 100 series LC with dissent swing-outs. The delta mechanism is pretty trick, but somehow I honestly believe Dissent designed and executed a better solution. It incorporates elements of the arb to allow automatic opening of the swing out once unlocked and your able to shut one handed. Of course the dissent is better looking than the arb.

 

[FMC80]

Just search for videos showing the 100 series LC with dissent swing-outs. The delta mechanism is pretty trick, but somehow I honestly believe Dissent designed and executed a better solution. It incorporates elements of the arb to allow automatic opening of the swing out once unlocked and your able to shut one handed. Of course the dissent is better looking than the arb.

After viewing both DVS and Dissent latching mechanisms, it appears the Delta VS design is easier to open and close. The DVS assembly requires one hand as well but the difference is you don’t have to push the swingarm forward before it is unlatched.

I have yet to see or use either bumper so I’m solely going off of vids.

 

[Bludozer]

Of course the dissent is better looking than the arb.

I think we all have our opinions here and there won't (and probably shouldn't) be a clear consensus on what is "best." One thing I think we can all agree on though is that the ARB rear bumper makes the 80 series look like it's wearing a full diaper. Absolutely disgusting.

 

[FMC80]

I think we all have our opinions here and there won't (and probably shouldn't) be a clear consensus on what is "best." One thing I think we can all agree on though is that the ARB rear bumper makes the 80 series look like it's wearing a full diaper. Absolutely disgusting.

agree.

 

[benc]

After viewing both DVS and Dissent latching mechanisms, it appears the Delta VS design is easier to open and close. The DVS assembly requires one hand as well but the difference is you don’t have to push the swingarm forward before it is unlatched.

I have yet to see or use either bumper so I’m solely going off of vids.

ours (dissent) does not require 2 hand on either opening or closing. We use a gas strut to hold the arm open vs the pop pin. I would also say ours is in a very convenient and natural position. We actually had an extremely trick fancy latching system designed and prototyped but ultimately decided less is more. The more moving parts the more chance of failure and malfunction due to weather. We have had customers is cold climates that have issues with other latches getting wet and actually freezing up so that was a consideration with our design as well. The other great thing is serviceability, most items are easily had at a hardware store if needed. We also designed a overcam into the latch, people were originally concerned with the spring at first but the spring is not actually only needed for the auto lock and the latch can be manually latched if the spring were to fail. I believe a lot were skeptical on our latch because it was so simple, we often were asked if it worked someone els would have already come up with it. I do truly believe with several year on the current design and literally 1000s being used and abused daily that this can safely be called a tried and true design.
To be clear not 1000s on the 80 yet but the lc100 and 200 have the same swing arms.

 

[FMC80]

ours (dissent) does not require 2 hand on either opening or closing. We use a gas strut to hold the arm open vs the pop pin. I would also say ours is in a very convenient and natural position. We actually had an extremely trick fancy latching system designed and prototyped but ultimately decided less is more. The more moving parts the more chance of failure and malfunction due to weather. We have had customers is cold climates that have issues with other latches getting wet and actually freezing up so that was a consideration with our design as well. The other great thing is serviceability, most items are easily had at a hardware store if needed. We also designed a overcam into the latch, people were originally concerned with the spring at first but the spring is not actually only needed for the auto lock and the latch can be manually latched if the spring were to fail. I believe a lot were skeptical on our latch because it was so simple, we often were asked if it worked someone els would have already come up with it. I do truly believe with several year on the current design and literally 1000s being used and abused daily that this can safely be called a tried and true design.
To be clear not 1000s on the 80 yet but the lc100 and 200 have the same swing arms.

Good input. I checked out two videos that came up on my feed. One dude had your bumper on his 100 and he specifically stated he had to first push the arm forward to open it up.

The second video was Eric Sargeant from Ed Marin Toyota and he had two of your bumpers on 200s. He too stated you have to push in first then release the latch.

What am I missing?

 

[benc]

Good input. I checked out two videos that came up on my feed. One dude had your bumper on his 100 and he specifically stated he had to first push the arm forward to open it up.

The second video was Eric Sargeant from Ed Marin Toyota and he had two of your bumpers on 200s. He too stated you have to push in first then release the latch.

What am I missing?

Not entirely untrue. Depending on how the preload is set o the latch it does help to push in a bit. Most of the time this can be done with the same hand as you are opening the latch with or your shoulder. If you have both hands free there is no reason not to use both hands. If you only have one hand free it is still fairly easy to open and close with just one hand.

 

[benc]

You haaaaaad to tell me that…. Ok. On the site. Is that the option for 1.9k (uncoated)

That is correct. Unfortunately prices may be on the rise again soon

 

[FMC80]

Not entirely untrue. Depending on how the preload is set o the latch it does help to push in a bit. Most of the time this can be done with the same hand as you are opening the latch with or your shoulder. If you have both hands free there is no reason not to use both hands. If you only have one hand free it is still fairly easy to open and close with just one hand.

Your bumpers are great, they’re stout and stylish but the DVS bumper are both those things but much easier to open. IMHO, point goes to DVS.