Bumper poll - please read before voting

[kw90surf]

Hmmm….




I vote ARB

 

[Dusten]

Hmmm….




I vote ARB

To bad I bought a bumper already lol

 

[MrMikeyG]

I pulled a dumb-ass when I ordered my sliders. I realized that no one would be home to accept a pallet o metal and had the shipper hold at a freight company. Since I didn't arrange that in the first place, I paid an additional fee to drive further to pick up my own stuff that they didn't have to carry as far. It sounds like you already knew how this game was played.

 

[Dusten]

I pulled a dumb-ass when I ordered my sliders. I realized that no one would be home to accept a pallet o metal and had the shipper hold at a freight company. Since I didn't arrange that in the first place, I paid an additional fee to drive further to pick up my own stuff that they didn't have to carry as far. It sounds like you already knew how this game was played.

Honestly the difference in home delivery vs freight dock was $300. And the freight dock is only half an hour away. So I just went with that method

 

[96LandcruiserPJ]

Just to reiterate the value of this thread - you have helped me further populate my (still incomplete) front bumper options:

Manufacturer	Cost	Mounting	Structure	Winch	Lights	Powder Coating	Comments / Options
Coastal Offroad	$971	Bolt on - if assembled by welder deduct $150 or so	3/16" P&O Steel - full tube grill and light protection - (some structural concerns)	protected winch mount	(4) Cree 24w		80 Series Land Cruiser High Clearance Front Bumper Kit | Coastal Offroad - https://www.coastaloffroad.com/product-page/80-series-land-cruiser-high-clearance-front-bumper-kit/
Rock Defense	$600						Yotamasters - Front Bumpers - Bumpers - Armor - https://trail-gear.com/armor/bumpers/front-bumpers.html?find=1996-toyota-land-cruiser-fj80-43289&sid=dIQmYtnJBU + Lights, winch
Delta	$2,099						plus shipping (https://www.deltavs.com/all-products/fj-fzj80-lx450-front-bumper (location for lights and winch incl))
Dissent	$1,450						Off-road armor for Toyota Land Cruiser 80-series & Lexus LX 450 - https://dissentoffroad.com/collections/lc80/Front-Bumper
Bump It Off Road	$550						(Raw, or $725 powder coated + shipping) https://www.bumpitoffroad.com/80%20front%20bumper%20tube.htm
Slee "Short Bus"	$1,655	existing bolt holes	3/16″ steel with 3/8″ plat		top mount		SLEE - "ShortBus" High Clearance front bumper - '91-'97 Land Cruiser / Lexus LX 450 - Slee Off Road - https://sleeoffroad.com/products/sok1080/
TJM	$1,495			integrated			TJM OUTBACK HEAVY DUTY BUMPER BLACK STEEL | BULL BARS | BUMPERS | TJM USA | Overlanding Accessories - https://www.tjmusa.com/bumpers/bull-bars/tjm-outback-heavy-duty-bumper-black-steel-070sb13l85a.html
TJM Frontier	$695			frame mount $225			TJM FRONTIER HEAVY DUTY BUMPER BLACK STEEL | 80 Series 1990-1997 | Landcruiser | Toyota | GET 4X4 EQUIPPED | TJM USA | Overlanding Accessories - https://www.tjmusa.com/get-4x4-equipped/toyota/landcruiser/80-series-1990-1997/tjm-frontier-heavy-duty-bumper-black-steel-074sb17b80lcds.html
AVID Offroad	$1,065	Existing bolt holes	3/16" plate, 3/8" Brackets to Frame - unfinished; tube bull bar		Cube cutouts		AVID 80 Series - https://avidoffroad.com/cart/index.php/avid-products/avid-products/80-series-lc.html
Bump It Offroad	$550	? looks bolt on?	1.75 x .120 wall DOM tubing;	1/4” steel for the winch plate and mounting brackets			80 Custom Tube Front Bumper for Toyota Land Cruiser - https://www.bumpitoffroad.com/80%20front%20bumper%20tube.htm
Trail Gear	$660	bolt on	1020 DOM (1.75" X .120" wall)	.25" CNC formed steel plate winch mount	n/a	n/a	Trail Gear Front Bumper ; with bull bar

 

[JettaGLi16v]

I wanted to do the poll, but couldn't find the button to say "Get an ARB"?

 

[Marco Lau]

I wanted to do the poll, but couldn't find the button to say "Get an ARB"?

That's because the ARB look has become the face of the 80 series land cruiser. Do a search and you will see plenty of 80s fitted with ARBs.

 

[Dusten]

That's because the ARB look has become the face of the 80 series land cruiser. Do a search and you will see plenty of 80s fitted with ARBs.

Which is odd because the 80 series is so attractive and the ARB is so unattractive

 

[Marco Lau]

Which is odd because the 80 series is so attractive and the ARB is so unattractive

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder....again, i am a "Form follows function kinda guy." i like the extra protection for the front end offered by the ARB. Do i like the clean look without all the front end protection? Do i wish it has better approach angle? Absolutely, but for what i intended to use the rig for, the ARB checks all the boxes so far and they are strong and still relatively cheap compared with other offerings out there..

 

[Dusten]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder....again, i am a "Form follows function kinda guy." i like the extra protection for the front end offered by the ARB. Do i like the clean look without all the front end protection? Do i wish it has better approach angle? Absolutely, but for what i intended to use the rig for, the ARB checks all the boxes so far and they are strong and still relatively cheap compared with other offerings out there..

The dvs offers the same protection. Has recovery points.
It's just expensive.

 

[Marco Lau]

The dvs offers the same protection. Has recovery points.
It's just expensive.

I do agree! DVS makes great products.

 

[kem]

@96LandcruiserPJ Here are some stats for Dissent

1/4" Steel Frame Bracket + 10 gauge steel plate
Strategically gusseted/reinforced
80lbs w/ hardware (that worked out nicely)
Bolt-on, modular
Winch mount supports most non-integrated 8.5-12.5k winches, vertical fairlead mount prevents binding
7 different integrated configurations for aux lighting INSIDE bumper wings
Slotted holes on top of center section for additional aux lights
Optional Bull-bar or mid-height hoop/stinger
$1450 (March 2022)

 

[Box Rocket]

@Dusten I see that you already purchased the DVS bumper. I have yet to meet anyone that bought a Delta bumper and said they regret it or that it wasn't worth the price. The fact is that the Delta bumper is the best engineered and best built bumper I've ever seen for an 80. The style might not be for everyone but the features, strength, quality and protection are not found in any other 80 bumper. Everyone I've encountered that purchased one is glad they got it. So, I'm sure you'll feel the same way once you get it on your truck. The DVS rear bumper is equally impressive. The only other rear bumper that is even close to the Delta one is the Slee rear bumper but it lacks many of the design features the Delta bumper has. All others fall short. I'm not saying that the other commonly used bumpers are bad. There are several really good ones IMO, but the Delta is on a totally different level.

Since this thread continues to have legs I'll offer another bumper option if its one that people aren't aware of. Mine is a 1-off but it is inspired by the Binks Fab front bumper. It's a fairly minimal plate style front bumper with excellent clearance. If you like the style of mine, take a look at the Binks Fab bumper.
Headlights by Adam Tolman, on Flickr

This is the Binks Fab bumper
00Y0Y_7U794Vx45L3_1200x900 by Adam Tolman, on Flickr

 

[Somebodyelse5]

The fact is that the Delta bumper is the best engineered

"fact" is a pretty loose term.... there has been zero testing

 

[kem]

The only other rear bumper that is even close to the Delta one is the Slee rear bumper but it lacks many of the design features the Delta bumper has. All others fall short. I'm not saying that the other commonly used bumpers are bad. There are several really good ones IMO, but the Delta is on a totally different level.

I would strongly disagree with that statement, no American manufacturer has more swing-out rear bumpers on U.S. Land Cruisers than Dissent, and we have the easiest to use swing-out design on the market that has been proven off-road. Not knocking those other fine companies, but if you don't consider Dissent a top-tier armor manufacturer then I kindly invite you to come tour our facility and we'll be happy to show you

 

[Box Rocket]

"fact" is a pretty loose term.... there has been zero testing

There has been plenty of real world testing. If you have doubts about the engineering of the Delta bumpers I suggest taking it up with them. I'm sure they'll be willing to educate you on their design.

I would strongly disagree with that statement, no American manufacturer has more swing-out rear bumpers on U.S. Land Cruisers than Dissent, and we have the easiest to use swing-out design on the market that has been proven off-road. Not knocking those other fine companies, but if you don't consider Dissent a top-tier armor manufacturer then I kindly invite you to come tour our facility and we'll be happy to show you

Where are you getting your numbers? I'd argue that there are probably more 4x4Labs rear bumpers on US 80s than just about any other swingout rear bumper, and I'd guess there are more Slee bumpers on 80s than Dissent. Obviously I have no data to support other than just what I observe. Nothing against Dissent. Dissent makes nice stuff. If you read my previous post I never said other bumper options were bad. Dissent is a great option. I still stand by my opinion that the Delta bumpers design and features are leading the way for 80 bumpers.

FWIW, both of my bumpers are home built so I have no "fanboy" loyalty to any certain brand just because it's the one I own. There are many good bumpers out there. That's a good thing for 80 owners. More choices is great. I remember the days (not that long ago) that the ARB bumper was literally about the only option for 80 owners. Fortunately that is not the case any longer.

 

[kem]

There has been plenty of real world testing. If you have doubts about the engineering of the Delta bumpers I suggest taking it up with them. I'm sure they'll be willing to educate you on their design.

Where are you getting your numbers? I'd argue that there are probably more 4x4Labs rear bumpers on US 80s than just about any other swingout rear bumper, and I'd guess there are more Slee bumpers on 80s than Dissent. Obviously I have no data to support other than just what I observe. Nothing against Dissent. Dissent makes nice stuff. If you read my previous post I never said other bumper options were bad. Dissent is a great option. I still stand by my opinion that the Delta bumpers design and features are leading the way for 80 bumpers.

FWIW, both of my bumpers are home built so I have no "fanboy" loyalty to any certain brand just because it's the one I own. There are many good bumpers out there. That's a good thing for 80 owners. More choices is great. I remember the days (not that long ago) that the ARB bumper was literally about the only option for 80 owners. Fortunately that is not the case any longer.

I was talking land cruisers as a whole, our 80 bumpers just came out

 

[Box Rocket]

I was talking land cruisers as a whole, our 80 bumpers just came out

I know there's a lot of 200 owners with Dissent bumpers, but we're in the 80s section and talking about 80 bumpers so......

 

[BILT4ME]

Yeah, but what about the rear bumpers on blue 80's on the third Tuesday of each month without a "Y" in it?

Hmmm?

 

[Somebodyelse5]

There has been plenty of real world testing. If you have doubts about the engineering of the Delta bumpers I suggest taking it up with them. I'm sure they'll be willing to educate you on their design.

Nope, Dave will just block me.

I know there's a lot of 200 owners with Dissent bumpers, but we're in the 80s section and talking about 80 bumpers so......

So the swingout mechanism is all of a sudden completely different on an 80 vs a 100... or a 200?