Brake calipers locking up, but they are not siezed? (1 Viewer)

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Hello
I have a bunch of 60 series crusiers, but this is actually about the later model 80 series front calipers that mount in front of the rotors (because they are similair to 97 4runner front calipers).
My brother(97 4runner) thought that he was adding to the power steering fluid, but actually added it to the brake fluid reservoir which looked a little low. It was clear powersteering fluid, and part of the title in spanish said "hydraulic". The brakes a few weeks later started pulling to one side and periodically would lock up and not allow the vehicle to even move. I got the calipers thinking they might need changing. The calipers seemed siezed, I couldn't get the pistons to retract at all. When I pulled the pads I found that the pistons would move easily as long as another piston had space to move, it was like the pressurized brake fluid was trapped in the caliper. I had to change the pads but the new ones would not fit in, I had to open the bleeder valve to get them in. I bleed what I thought would be plenty of fluid to get rid of that thick fluid that my brother put in, I didn't bleed the rear brakes though. Two weeks later the brakes are locking up again. I should have bleed the rear but it was getting late.
My question is, since there is no check engine light, is this due to the addition of the thick generic power steering fluid? Or is there something else that could cause this? I am going over tomorrow and this time I am going to make sure that I bleed the whole system, will this do the trick?
Thanks
ERICH
 
Power steering fluid is totally incompatable with brake system seals. At this point in time your brother needs to replace or rebuild the entire braking system, master cylinder and all brake calipers and if there is a proportioning valve that too. He will need to totally flush the lines before he rebuilds or replace the master cylinder and calipers. He may as well replace the rubber lines while he is at it. I don't know if that last bit is necessary, but since everything else will be new, he may as well. I would in his situation.

Brake fluid contains no hydrocarbons. Brake seals are not compatable with hydrocarbons. Power steering fluid, like most hydraulic fluid, is hydrocarbon based.
 
Erich,

I agree. This is an extremely bad situation that clearly is also dangerous. All the seals in the entire brake system are likely damaged and there's no way to know which ones are not (if any). I realize this is very bad and expensive news, but the brake system has been badly damaged. You will need to replace the seals in every part in the braking hydraulic system and the vehicle should be considered undriveable until this is done. What a terrible mistake - your brother has my sympathy.

DougM
 
Erich,

Again I agree 100% with the two previous posts. There is no way to replace just the damaged parts. I have had experiance with this same exact issue. Luckily it was a shop that made the misstake, and luckily it wasn't on my Cruiser. But long story short, we encountered the same exact problems you have and had to fight pretty hard but they finally replaced the entire brake system. Including master cylinder, all brake lines, 4 new calipers, rotors, pads and even 5 new tires. Basically every part of the brake system minus the electrical was replaced. The tires, rotors and pads where thrown in because the damage the locking up of the calipers had caused. :D If I remember correctly the final bill/invoice I received was around $5000. This was for a Oldsmobile 98. I also remember the power steering fluid breaking down the rubber brake lines and all joints and seals were shot after less than 500 miles driving on it.

I feel you pain...
DC
 
So, even though the power steering fluid his wasn't the right for a Toyota, its was a clear thick power steering fluid that looks similair to brake fluid. This is bad news for anybody but he has been out of work for two months because of a back injury. I can rebuild the calipers but I have never rebuilt a master cylinder, is it managable?
Thanks
ERICH
 
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If you can rebuild calipers, the master cylinder should be no problem. Only use brake fluid for assembly lube. Unfortunately the ABS unit and proportioning valve probably suffered the same fate.
 
Thanks everyone.
Does anyone know where to get inepensive rebuild kits or how much they run from the dealer? I usually get stuff from JTOUTFITTERS.com, but he doesn't look like he has anything for a 4runner after 95, this one is a 97 4runner, I am going to call him tomorrow to see if it is just not listed.
Thanks
ERICH
 
Strongly consider whether this is a possible repair. As noted above, the ABS unit and other parts are also needing service and that take serious work. I had a buddy who had the same thing as above happen when a mechanic put power steering fluid in his master cylinder. Within a week, the entire brake system was destroyed. The mechanic admitted the mistake, and simply flushed the fluid. Naturally, the next week the brake system continued to break down. By buddy took him to court, the mechanic simply lied on the stand and he got away with it. Cost my buddy $3200 for that couple tablespoons of power steering fluid.

DougM
 
Anyone know if the ABS unit can be rebuilt?
Thanks
ERICH
 
The square seals in the calipers have probably swollen. Everybody is right, your brake system is comprimised all the way around.

I tell my students to always use ATF in p/s systems for exactly that reason. I have seen clear p/s fluid put in brake resivoirs no less than 5 times now. Each time it requires the replacement of all rubber seals and a complete flushing.

ABS should not be rebuilt by any less than a competant professional technician. It contains parts under extreme pressure. Not only could you mess up your brakes, but you could kill yourself trying.
 
Gumby said:
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I tell my students to always use ATF in p/s systems for exactly that reason. I have seen clear p/s fluid put in brake resivoirs no less than 5 times now. Each time it requires the replacement of all rubber seals and a complete flushing.
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why's this? just the red color or that ATF would be less damaging?

is brake fluid always clear?
 
ATF is always red, and brake fluid is always clear, so this is an excellent way to prevent the mistake.

DougM
 
Hello All
Does anyone out there have a factory service manual for a 97 4runner? I am looking for the rebuild procedure for the master cylinder and wondering if someone could photo copy it for me or if anyone knows where I might be able to download it from somewhere? Also, the mentioned proportioning valve, is the the one in the rear, right? The load sensing proportioning valve, I have the FSM for 84 and 88 landcruisers, will the proportioning valve rebuild for the 97 4runner be similiar enough so I could use my landcruiser manual as a guide?
Thanks all
ERICH
 
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Alright, I just got the 4runner over to my house this morning. I was just looking up parts on the internet for the ABS. There are a ton. If I get a used ABS unit what other ABS stuff will I have to replace due to the comtamination of the powersteering fluid?
Thanks
Eric
 
Eric,

The lack of response once you get into specifics is simply because this is an 80 Series LandCruiser forum and you need highly specific info on a 4Runner. There is no commonality between the 80 and the 4Runner and unless someone here also has a 4Runner (so far not) then I suggest you find a 4Runner board. There are a lot of good 4Runner boards who will likely have the specific information you seek. I personally am not comfortable advising you on a massive braking system rebuild as an error could cause a serious accident or death.

DougM
 

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