BioDiesel (1 Viewer)

[fj803fe]

Hydrogen as a fuel source is awfuly misleading. The thing is, it is refined from hydrocarbons, aka oil or natural gas, the things that we use for fuel already. Depending on how the refinement is carried out you can still end up with most of the same pollutants as our cars put out now. It would just be coming from the factories instead of our cars. Our dependance would shift from the middle East to the USSR (or whatever the hell they call themselves these days) where the richest sources of natural gas are currently located, and the overall savings to the environment would be much less than the current belief. You want to save the world? Crack photosynthesis. Every fuel man has explored so far except for solar , hydro, wind and nuclear, come from a plant's ability to use sunlight to seperate water and carbon dioxide and reorganize it into hydrocarbons and oxygen. Solar hydro and wind are ways of using the sun more directly. Good luck in your search. In the mean time if you can save your self a little money and don't mind whatever you have to go through to process it, use a biodiesle blend for the savings to your budget. By the way, I usually shut my engine off on the way home from my trips to the mountains and coast back down to 200ft from 7500 ft. SO infact I don't use the brakes coming off a steep hill. . .

We're not even close to hitting the peak of production or recoverable reserves. The gulf coast alone could support the entire contry given good up and comming results of a recent 3D seismic survey mapping the salt/gas interface. HUGE discoveries off the coast in Florida-but restricted to drilling.

A small canadian company is now undertaking drilling a 24,000 + ft. deep well in the Gulf-recovering nearly 2 bcf gas/yr!!!!

You could hash out alternative fuels all day-that yes sound awesome. But practicality, even in the long term, isn't clear or reachable. We just had a situtaion where a landowner was asking to have all of the wells on his land powered by solar. Each well is about 1.5 acres in size (including road pipeline, pad) on his property-we figured it would take an additional 15 acres of land covered with solar panels to power the well equipment. Whats the trade-off?

This is some pretty nice elk and deer sever winter range.

We all look to technology and alternatives to fuel our consumption, but it may simply be a reduction of consumption thats needed-but I am out of arguments.

 

[H2o]

the environment

interesting thread... I have been thinking of buying an old diesel car and converting it. It would be fun. but if everyone began doing the same thing, restaurants would start charging for the used oil and it would be harder to come by.

there was an exhibit this week on the Mall in DC subvarious Universities had built passive heating and cooling houses and were displaying them. pretty damn interesting. most seem to use solar cells, that stored the energy in batteries, to later dispense when needed, bit like the Prius. some used 12/24 volt appliances (built for marine use) to prevent loosing energy when inverting back to 120.

Though this energy crisis has been painful to the cruiser community, it is also good to get us thinking in a different direction.

;p

 

[lone gunman]

does anybody watch spike TV and the power block show's. stacey david had an episode of trucks about bio-deisel and a company that makes a kit so you can make it at home, i think it ended up around .70 cents a gallon or maybe it was $1.70 i dont remember but you could look on his site for a link www.staceydavid.com just a thought i am not into deisel

 

[Mazda Man]

Your sort of right!

Hydrogen as a fuel source is awfuly misleading. The thing is, it is refined from hydrocarbons, aka oil or natural gas, the things that we use for fuel already. Depending on how the refinement is carried out you can still end up with most of the same pollutants as our cars put out now. It would just be coming from the factories instead of our cars. Our dependance would shift from the middle East to the USSR (or whatever the hell they call themselves these days) where the richest sources of natural gas are currently located, and the overall savings to the environment would be much less than the current belief. You want to save the world? Crack photosynthesis. Every fuel man has explored so far except for solar , hydro, wind and nuclear, come from a plant's ability to use sunlight to seperate water and carbon dioxide and reorganize it into hydrocarbons and oxygen. Solar hydro and wind are ways of using the sun more directly. Good luck in your search. In the mean time if you can save your self a little money and don't mind whatever you have to go through to process it, use a biodiesle blend for the savings to your budget. By the way, I usually shut my engine off on the way home from my trips to the mountains and coast back down to 200ft from 7500 ft. SO infact I don't use the brakes coming off a steep hill. . .

Hey thats not entirely true you can get hydrogen from water the process is already known to the scientific world they use it when extracting oxygen from water. this process produces hydrogen as a byproduct so if we used the process to make hydrogen as the main product the we would also get a valuble byproduct out of it. The only problem with this is like i said in the previous post it takes more energy to strip the hydrogen from the oxygen then the hydrogen gives as energy. in thus is the problem with the worlds misconception that hydrogen will save us when we have no other choice. we should build inferstructure now before we run out of the possibility of being able to afford to perform the conversion.

 

[Mazda Man]

We're not even close to hitting the peak of production or recoverable reserves. The gulf coast alone could support the entire contry given good up and comming results of a recent 3D seismic survey mapping the salt/gas interface. HUGE discoveries off the coast in Florida-but restricted to drilling.

A small canadian company is now undertaking drilling a 24,000 + ft. deep well in the Gulf-recovering nearly 2 bcf gas/yr!!!!

You could hash out alternative fuels all day-that yes sound awesome. But practicality, even in the long term, isn't clear or reachable. We just had a situtaion where a landowner was asking to have all of the wells on his land powered by solar. Each well is about 1.5 acres in size (including road pipeline, pad) on his property-we figured it would take an additional 15 acres of land covered with solar panels to power the well equipment. Whats the trade-off?

This is some pretty nice elk and deer sever winter range.

We all look to technology and alternatives to fuel our consumption, but it may simply be a reduction of consumption thats needed-but I am out of arguments.

So you think we still have enough reserves. You might be right if our consumption did not increace every day to more than the day before. NO matter how much we pump out of the ground we will not get enough. in the last century we have used more than a millenia of oil reserves! As you can see if we keep up with this rate the earth won't be able to keep up with the demand.And then there is the problem of countries over inflating their actual reserves to be able to sell more oil today. As you can see we have a problem and we better start comming up with alternatives BEFORE WE CRASH & BURN.

Hey and I agree the first step is to reduce consumption! but even that is only temporary

 

[wdFJ40]

Did you know you can get Hydrogen from Nuclear!!! Real cheap too!!!

 

[FJ40fiji]

Hey thats not entirely true you can get hydrogen from water the process is already known to the scientific world they use it when extracting oxygen from water. this process produces hydrogen as a byproduct so if we used the process to make hydrogen as the main product the we would also get a valuble byproduct out of it. The only problem with this is like i said in the previous post it takes more energy to strip the hydrogen from the oxygen then the hydrogen gives as energy. in thus is the problem with the worlds misconception that hydrogen will save us when we have no other choice. we should build inferstructure now before we run out of the possibility of being able to afford to perform the conversion.

I didn't mean to imply that hydrocarbons were the only source of hydrogen we have, just the only one that is economically viable. Like you said, there is a net loss of energy when it is seperated from water. It's also possible to scavenge it out of the air in small quantities at high altitud, if you load a bunch of heavy equipment on a plane and burn tons of fuel to go after it. So using our current technology that won't work. And generally Oxygen is scavenged out of the air (at ground levels). In the mean time it would be premature to try to build the infra structure now because the technology is far from ready. And by the time it is, we may already be on to something better.
By the way, I am aware of the natural gas reserves under the gulf of Mexico. Much of it is already being produced. But out where the huge reserves are the water is too deep to recover it by conventional methods. New technology is being developed, but it won't really be cost effective for the energy companies to go after the really deep stuff until the cost goes up significantly, or other supplies just plain run out. Are you aware of how much natural gas is being scavenged and burned in Siberia? It's an amazing amount. Look at satellite pictures of russia taken at night and notice all the red lights in the middle. Those aren't whore houses like you might think, but natural gas fields. They have the most as far as what is accessable with current cost effective technology. Do you work in the energy industry fj803fe? I'd like to when I graduate, and I'm looking for an internship for this summer.

 

[Blue 60]

Bio-D Questions

I'm new to the whole Diesel/biodiesel "thing". I'm looking at this whole thing as 1) a way to save some green (probably like most people i'm guessing) and 2) I think that Bio-D is "less harmful".

So here are some questions for yall.

A) Can any diesel engine run Bio-D or are there just a select # of engines that can pull it off?

B) How long can you store the "veggie oil" (or other organic oil) once it has been "cleaned"?

C) Why isn't this possible in gasser type engines? Is it related to compression or something........?

Take it easy, I'm a learnin.

Blue 60

 

[Mazda Man]

I'm new to the whole Diesel/biodiesel "thing". I'm looking at this whole thing as 1) a way to save some green (probably like most people i'm guessing) and 2) I think that Bio-D is "less harmful".

So here are some questions for yall.

A) Can any diesel engine run Bio-D or are there just a select # of engines that can pull it off?

B) How long can you store the "veggie oil" (or other organic oil) once it has been "cleaned"?

C) Why isn't this possible in gasser type engines? Is it related to compression or something........?

Take it easy, I'm a learnin.

Blue 60

A) Hey yes any deisel engine can run @least a percentage of B-Diesel. Most older engines can run 100% without any or little problem (replace the fuel filter) new engines depend on what your runnin' I know most cummins and duramax can not sure about the ford's but that's an international motor so probably.

B) B-Diesel has a shelf life of 6-12 months. longer if it is kept @ low temperature.

C) It can't be run in gas engines because it is not very flamable like diesel(regular) However it does explode under compresion this is why it works in diesel motors because they use compression to ignite the fuel not a spark!