bad alternator or battery? LC, 07, 195k, alternator was replaced ar 145k

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I thought it was bad alternator - turn the car on, battery light lights up . Disconnect positive battery contact - shuts down.

Fully charge the battery. Let it run with lights, radio, heater for awhile - works fine.

Car seats outside for awhile - still starts. Drive it around town. Battery light came up once after very short drive (0.25) then turned off after driving for few minutes.

The battery is Toyota battery, 4 years old.

What are your thoughts: alternator or battery? Something else? What is easiest way to check?
 
The 100's are sensitive to bad batteries. Have you had the battery tested? Some places show bad batteries as good. Have you checked the voltage of at the battery terminals when the car is on? The FSM has a specific check at a specific rpm.
 
Check the voltage at the battery with a voltmeter. At idle it should be above 13.2 V

I had a toyota battery and it went bad in 46 months. If your alternator is an aftermarket those are truly garbage. But first check the voltage at the battery before replacing the alternator.

I have 3 toyota vehicles and they are 278K, 235K (LC) and 214K (4Runner) miles and all have the factory alternator with new OEM brushes.
 
I thought it was bad alternator - turn the car on, battery light lights up . Disconnect positive battery contact - shuts down.
That is the old school way of checking your alternator but it is not a good idea to do on any modern vehicle due to voltage spikes. As said, get a voltmeter.
 
when you first start your truck up after sitting for about a day or more, the voltage could/should be about as high as 14.4v, after driving around a bit keeping an RPM of 1500 or more then test voltage while running and should be down between 13.2 and 13.7, that means the alternator is probably ok. then i would pull the battery and take it to a big box auto place and have them load test the battery. i would only ever replace my alternator again with a denso reman. how is your PS pump? leaking onto the alternator?
 
a very good general alternator troubleshoot
 
Thank you, all, for suggestions.!
Alternator was replaced by previous owner at Toyota dealership so I would hope it is Toyota remanufactured one.
No idea about PS pump, but no leakage signs on the ground.
I will check voltage as suggested and report the results here - likely later in the week
 
Look at top of alt for leak/wet and around pump. Wont necessarily ever drip on the ground.
 
Some recommend changing battery and alternator both at the same time as a bad battery can kill an alternator prematurely or vice versa.
 
Same issue here. Purchased Autozone battery and the last two were bad replaced under warranty. The third battery is 6 months old. When to start yesterday and the battery was dead. Took it to AZone and they said it was good and they recharged it. Took it to a Toyota dealership and they said everything was fine? Something is causing these batteries issues. Any ideas?
 
Alternator, sitting too long, frequent short trips, added accessories drawing tiny amounts of power while truck is off
 
Thanks for the reply! Two days before this issue, we went on a 250 mile trip. Parked it on Saturday night then tried to start that Monday morning. That's when the battery was dead. So with this scenario did the alternator not sufficently charge the battery on the trip?
 
How many miles on truck? Original alternator? Corroded battery terminals? I would have the alternator tested at a big box store. The same one that you are buying the batterys from.
 
Thanks again for the reply! 2006 LC, 150k, second alternator. Battery terminals are clean, greased and snug fittings. Getting ready another trip this weekend and didn't want to be stuck out on the road with two little ones.
 
does the top of your alternator seem wet? any sign of power steering pump leaking or wet? 2nd alt in 150k is a little surprising. did a toyota/denso go in for the current one? do you have any added electrical accessories? again i would go have the alternator checked. and really put your hand on the negative battery terminal and give it a good yank and make sure its tight. a two finger wiggle doesnt always confirm. ask me how i know.
 
The first alternator was replaced by the Toyota dealership around 75k. No added electrical accessories, there is an overhead DVD player and I assume that it's factory installed? Vehicle is not here now, but will check your recommendations and take to Azone to check the alternator this evening. Thanks again!!
 
I thought it was bad alternator - turn the car on, battery light lights up . Disconnect positive battery contact - shuts down.

Scotty says "Don't do that!"



Check connections at alternator, and look at all grounds, battery cables. As mentioned, check system with voltmeter, get battery load-tested if charging system ok. A pocket jumpstarter (antigravity or equivalent) is a great item to keep in truck.
 
Based on your description, you may have an intermittent parasitic electrical draw. I experienced very similar symptoms...

So the above took place over 2ish weeks. From loosing the contactor to searching and failing, to finding the 80 seat switch, to getting to my door, to having it ready to go back together. Well when preparing to put the truck back together I find the battery is dead. Kind of concerning, but no big deal at the time. I charge it up, and get it back together. The seat works great, life is back to normal... or is it??

Fast forward 2 more weeks...
My wife is a stay at home mom, so she kinda makes her own schedule. She likes to get out everyday, but weather and life sometimes keep that from happening. The cruiser sat for 3 days, drove it Sunday, tried to drive it Wednesday. Calls me at work “baby the cruiser is dead”. This is concerning to her, because she worries about “what if” and not being able to act if need be...

I charge it overnight and it starts in the morning no problem. I get to work and put it on our fancy charger, that will load test and charge accordingly. Good news the battery checks ok, no need to replace it. I check it for a draw and all good, max draw when “asleep”: 0.029A (29mA). I’m scratching my head, trying to make sense of it. Maybe she left something on, maybe there is an intermittent draw... I don’t know.

Back to the normal routine, driving it everyday or every other day, without any problems. Then comes the holidays, we have family in town, I’m off work for 4 days, the cruiser wasn’t driven at all. Come Wednesday morning, I’m going to warm up my car and ask the wife if she wants me to start the cruiser as well. She says yes, and I find the it is dead again. Now, I’m confident there is a problem, I check, nothing was left on. She is loosing faith in the reliability and it’s my responibilty to make her feel secure. I jump start it and take it to work.

I get the same, “battery ok, top up charge” result from our fancy tester. At first I get the same ~30mA draw, but I’ve got time and let it sit. After 30 minutes I re-check my meter and it’s showing 0.518A(518mA), way too much. Then it dropped back to 30mA, within a minute it was back to ~500mA for a minute or two, then back to sleep. Ok great I have a confirmed draw, now to find it.

Working on Audi’s for the last 12 years has exposed me to many parasitic draw concerns. Draws are not hard to figure out as long as you have wiring diagrams. One part of Audi draw diagnosis is not removing fuses. The systems are complex enough that pulling fuses wakes up other modules and voids the test. There are charts that correlate a voltage drop across a fuse into mA. I grab my meter, set it to voltage, and start checking all the fuses. I get to fuse 55(I think) which is the radio/audio/nav fuse and measure a 3.8mV drop. Reference the chart: 512mA. I have found the circuit, now to find the component. I’m using alldata wiring diagrams, not the best but better than nothing. The fuse powers the nav module, front and rear dvd, back up cam module and camera. I start with the nav module, unplug all the connectors and re-check, draw still present. The back up cam module is in the right rear, so is the rear DVD player. I figure that’s the next best place. I’m pulling trim off when 2 little orange lights catch my attention, the eject button is lit up and the light In the dvd drive is lit. I remove the dvd drive and unplug it... no more draw. I put everthing else back together and monitor the rest of the day... I believe it’s fixed.

The final check is underway. I’m gonna let it sit from today till Wednesday. If it starts, it’ll be back to being unstoppable!

Sorry for the long read, maybe the detail can help someone out if they stumble across this thread.

Until next time
 
Toyota batteries are made in Mexico and not made by or under Johnson controls, so 4 years is the best you can get from that battery. I had a toyota battery and it lasted lasted 40 months. When buying a battery check to see whether its Johnson battery or not.

Never install parts store alternators. Those are garbage. Just install a new toyota brush kit.
 
I am glad the previous owner (I am the 2nd owner) did nothing to the truck. Many mechanics dont know the quality of a toyota and they just think it as a honda or Ford and start calling high miles for a toyota at 100K and replace good parts with aftermarket parts as a preventative maintenance leading to totally unnecessary repairs.
 

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