3B glow plug prices

[brownbear]

when I changed my plugs with the new ngk I noticed the difference also. then I installed and found they do seen to sit in lower. Maybe I thought they did, but I also found the bus bar part to be up too high, so I had bend it down to meet up. They worked fine. I rationalized putting them it could do no harm, as they are shorter. Where if they were longer I would not. So I tried them and they seem to work ok. Done a few minus 0 celsius starts on them too.

 

[Radd Cruisers]

I have also dropped in many sets of the NGKs with good success, much better than the dead factory units. Not sure if the length matters, (hope no ladies are reading this LOL).

 

[lumpy70]

The 6V plugs are the ones you need for your Superglow system, and the 10.5V won't work AT ALL with the voltage your Superglow is putting out.

The 10.5V ones are for when you get sick of your Superglow not working and yank all of it out to replace it with a push-button run directly off the battery (thru a relay). My truck starts better now than it ever has.

I have a simple do-it-yourself wiring diagram of the above mentioned circuit for the electrically challenged...post if interested and I'll email it.

Craig in Calgary

 

[brownbear]

Are the y107r 's I put in 10.5v? I was sure they said 6volt on the pkg.

 

[Radd Cruisers]

The 6V plugs are the ones you need for your Superglow system, and the 10.5V won't work AT ALL with the voltage your Superglow is putting out.

The 10.5V ones are for when you get sick of your Superglow not working and yank all of it out to replace it with a push-button run directly off the battery (thru a relay). My truck starts better now than it ever has.

I have a simple do-it-yourself wiring diagram of the above mentioned circuit for the electrically challenged...post if interested and I'll email it.

Craig in Calgary

You are right abouty that and I missed the middle part of the glow plug installs, most of them have faulty timers and I install a rocker switch.

However from Bakers Auto Supply you can get the off shore 6V units for the BJ60s.

 

[lumpy70]

the package can be wrong, it was in my case. I believe the Y107's are 10.5V. Read the actual plug to be sure.

Craig

 

[bj70alex]

the package can be wrong, it was in my case. I believe the Y107's are 10.5V. Read the actual plug to be sure.

Craig

Before I decide to replace all 4 glow plugs, I checked all my ground connections and found out that I have replace both negative cables that connect the battery terminal to the engine block and the fender. Also my positive cable doesn't look good either.
I want to replce the cables and see if it solves the starting problem.
I went to autoparts store and bought the positive cable (4Gauge) and 2 negative ones, the same 4 guage.
I compared the negative cables and the original ones are about the same gauge, but the original positive cable looks thicker then the 4 gauge.
Question, may I use 4 gauge positive cable or shell I get a thicker one????????

Thanks,
Alex
85 BJ70
93 FZJ80

 

[cruiser_guy]

OK I picked up 4 NGK Y-107R's from Napa for 22.66 each. But when I compare them to the plugs I pulled out, they are a lot shorter as you can see in the pic below (sorry for the crappy quality, only had my cell phone camera to work with). The NGK plug is on the left and the old plug on the right.

On the NGK plug itself states, Y107R, 10.5V

On the plug I puleed out it statesND 067100-1680 6V and also 19850-68051

Do I have the right plugs or what?

I haven't had good sucess at NAPA or Lordco for 'diesel Cruiser stuff. I was shown the shorter plug as well but decided to get the 'Denso plugs from the local diesel shop. The 'Denso plugs were the same price as the ones at Lordco but are the IDENTICAL ones that Toyota sells for $75 or so. Use the 'Denso number 067100-1680 when talking to the diesel shop.

 

[lumpy70]

With regards to you needing to re-cable your batteries...thicker is better. #4 Gauge is simply not good enough.

Go to a place which sell welding supplies and get some 1/0 or 2/0 (pronounced one-awt, two-awt as in "awww", what a cute puppy) welding cable with some lugs to match.

Replace ALL of your existing cables with this stuff (it's pretty cheap) and run a couple extra grounds to the block, frame and body with at least one of those extra ones going directly to the negative on your battery.

This is possibly the cheapest and best fix-all to any electrical problem you might have or ever will have. It miraculously solves most mystery electrical gremlins, bad starts, dead batteries and so on. Bad grounds are the scourge of automotive electrics.

Craig in Calgary

 

[NStimac]

Plugs

Not to highjack this thread but what kind of voltage should I be seeing at the bus bar. I think I remember see about 19v then it dropped down to about 8 or 9v. (24volt)


"Not sure if the length matters,"
Good one Radd Cruiser. How does one go about diagnosing a bad timer? Do you just compare it to the graph in the factory manuals or is there more? Also I broke one of the little plastic isolators any one got extras.

-NS

 

[Canuck]

So some say they work, others say they don't. I found the page below interesting, it's the NGK german site and it doesn't list the Y-107R at all for the 3B, but then again the list doesn't seem to accurate,

http://www.ngk.de/index.php?id=659&pd=660&t=pkwgluehkerzen&lmf=TOYOTA&h=TOYOTA&m=Land-Cruiser

 

[cruiser_guy]

So some say they work, others say they don't. I found the page below interesting, it's the NGK german site and it doesn't list the Y-107R at all for the 3B, but then again the list doesn't seem to accurate,

http://www.ngk.de/index.php?id=659&pd=660&t=pkwgluehkerzen&lmf=TOYOTA&h=TOYOTA&m=Land-Cruiser

If your "Superglow" system is still intact and you intend to keep it that way then you need a 6 volt plug. If you've stripped out the Superglow system and have a direct push button then you need the 10.5 volt plug. This is all assuming that your truck has a 12 volt system.

 

[lumpy70]

On my 12V Superglow, it is supposed to be 12V, then down to 6V. In reality most people seem to get 8.5V, then 4.5V. Don't know what that works out to proportionally to the 24V system but your numbers sound right.

This is because of the voltage drop across the various points in your system. Even running my 10.5V plugs thru a relay directly off of the battery, I only get around 11.3V to them.

The good thing is that I can control exactly how long I want the plugs on for. If the truck starts rough despite my glowing it, I just hold down the button while it''s running until it smooths out.

The plastic isolators are something like $0.75 each from Toyota, get 2-3 extra (sorry, I used my supply up torquing them then breaking them).

Craig.

 

[Greg_B]

Canuck, if you go to the other Toyota applications listed on that page (http://www.ngk.de/index.php?id=659&pd=660&t=pkwgluehkerzen&lmf=TOYOTA&h=TOYOTA&m=Dyna+3000)there are some other application ranges. I found this site when checking the numbers pulled from the DTLC a while back, and the trouble with using it to confirm Cdn numbers is this site does not give the plug voltage, and I do not know what Toyota put in what for the european market.

It would be interesting to see the voltage listed on the Y-147T, as that is the 12V glow plug that is listed as the one to use with the manual 12V systems, which is what ya'll are talking about.

I've got a fellow looking into the Bosch numbers, then he will reference the the NGK from that. It seems this is the only way to confirm application from a Denso plug.

gb

 

[Canuck]

Yeah it's a 12V with everything still stock on it so I think I'm gonna go ahead and return the plugs and go for the Denso ones since they should be approx. the same price and I know exactly which ones to get.

 

[cruiser_guy]

Yeah it's a 12V with everything still stock on it so I think I'm gonna go ahead and return the plugs and go for the Denso ones since they should be approx. the same price and I know exactly which ones to get.

I got mine at Surrey Diesel on River Road in Delta but I am sure that other places can also get them.

 

[bj70alex]

I got mine at Surrey Diesel on River Road in Delta but I am sure that other places can also get them.

I checked the price for Denso plugs in a local diesel shop and wow!!!!, $42.00 each, i think that expensive!!!!!

Alex
85 BJ70
93 FZJ80

 

[cruiser_guy]

I checked the price for Denso plugs in a local diesel shop and wow!!!!, $42.00 each, i think that expensive!!!!!

Alex
85 BJ70
93 FZJ80

Who was that? I got my spare set at Surrey Diesel this past May or June and it was in around $25/ea. I'd shop around.

 

[Greg_B]

I have been in contact with Bosch in Europe, and NGK in Canada. I've edited the above list with the confirmed cross over numbers from the Denso number plugs, and removed those that have not been confirmed from their respective manufacturer.

I am waiting for confirmation on one more Bosch number before I post it up. They Both NGK and Bosch confirmed they do not have a cross over number for the Denso 1680 at this point.

hth's

gb

 

[Canuck]

Well I got 4 Denso's from www.nwfuel.ca in Surrey for $30.22 CDN each. I got the last four they had and I tried other shops but they were wither on backorder or there were a couple out east in various locations.