2013-Year of the Diesel, who knew

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That's crazy. I've never heard of one of those new fangled diesel motors.

It's about time automakers brought the diesel stateside!!
 
It's about time, going to test drive the mazda 6 diesel as soon as it comes out.


I just hope they put the right price point on these things.



Take off all the emission stuff for "off road" use ;) and many models will pick up 10mpg or more
 
Why did Jerry decide to pass his 2F-E project to someone else, instead dropping the M&B 617 into the 45?

The biggest issue will be the price manipulation of diesel fuel prices, how it impacts everyday prices on household items because EVERYTHING we buy is put onto the shelfs with diesel fuel. It stuns me how one of the simplest fuels to refine is more expensive than gasoline...
 
Mtbcoach said:
Why did Jerry decide to pass his 2F-E project to someone else, instead dropping the M&B 617 into the 45?

The biggest issue will be the price manipulation of diesel fuel prices, how it impacts everyday prices on household items because EVERYTHING we buy is put onto the shelfs with diesel fuel. It stuns me how one of the simplest fuels to refine is more expensive than gasoline...
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The "official" reason is that since the US hasn't built a new refinery in 30-40 years (something like that) that the increased demand in diesel is leading to an increased price.

They point to the fact that Europe has built newer facilities for diesel as proof.

I remember when I first started driving in LA gas was 99 cents at its cheapest and diesel was 52 cents. At the same station right now gas is $4.22 and diesel is $4.35.

So diesel has increased %837 and gas has increased %426. I don't think there has been that big of and increase in diesel demand since 1998

To me i'd say there is a tad bit of truth in the official reason but more truth that big oil doesn't want everyone jumping into a diesel leading to less gallons being pumped at the station.

Other things include the fact that we also export quite a bit of the diesel we make which in turn drives up our price.
It costs less to make diesel than gasoline for sure.
 
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I'm not sure it costs less to make diesel anymore. With new ultra-low sulfer PPM requirements for on-road diesel fuel, it may cost as much, or even more, then gasoline to produce.
 
The ULSD only required 8 billion in tweaks to the diesel refineries. Average price increase per gallon for the upgrade was around 8 cents or something around there.
 
Yeah, and you can get 2x the amount of gasoline per barrel of oil than you get from diesel. And the tax on diesel is higher than gas...
 
I should clarify that was 8 billion over all not 8 billion per refinery
 
GarnerFJ40 said:
Yeah, and you can get 2x the amount of gasoline per barrel of oil than you get from diesel. And the tax on diesel is higher than gas...
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Actual they use 2 times the amount of oil per barrel for gas not you can get 2 times the amount of gas from a barrel.... the Break down of production from every 42 gallon barrel is


gasoline

19.5

distillate fuel oil
(Includes both home heating oil and diesel fuel)

9.2

kerosene-type jet fuel

4.1

residual fuel oil
(Heavy oils used as fuels in industry, marine transportation and for electric power generation)

2.3

liquefied refinery gasses

1.9

still gas

1.9

coke

1.8

asphalt and road oil

1.3

petrochemical feedstocks

1.2

lubricants

0.5

kerosene

0.2

other

0.3

Which equals 44.2, the extra 2.2 equals to processing gains with additives and such.

But yes the tax is higher on diesel than gas... about 5 cents or so from what I remember.
 
Al, from the fractionation of crude into gas the yield is 19.5 gallons and diesel is 9.2. So, from the same barrel of oil you will produce 2x the amount of gasoline than diesel, not use 2x.
 
Another interesting article I had read stated that the new oils that we are recieving from the shale sands and thru the fracking process are of such poor quality and the level of heavy metals and sulfer that are in the product make it cost prohibitive to refine to meet the new #2 diesel fuel standards. So now you have to use more "conventional" and other oil products that are declining.

I love my diesels more than anything and the older ones the better (WMO, WVO, and all sorts in between). But I will be making the switch to electric in the next 10 years is my guess (when I can afford a Tesla). We just need a better battery (not good for the earth either).
 
I agree with you Jason, yet, I think the word "significant" needs to be added to your statement about batteries being better. The wife's Camry Hybrid is great, too bad it doesn't have a diesel powerplant instead of the gas 4 banger.

My question is...where does all the waste oil go from all the friggen chips eaten in this country? Who scores the contract for the waste oil at the State Fair every year, that one contract would supply my needs for the year. How much fried food is served there, where does all that waste oil go?

Sorry but when the apocalypse hits, the EMP takes out everything with a solid state device in it and the "fire sale" takes out the eastern electrical grid, my 45 will make it from Taco Bell to Bojangles to Church's to Golden Corral to Burger King, etc, etc, etc...

But, I'm also thinking about buying a missile silo in WY to retire in...
 
Mtbcoach said:
But, I'm also thinking about buying a missile silo in WY to retire in...
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I'll just stay here and start breeding horses for sale. Lots of food around here, both in the field and on the hoof.
 
GarnerFJ40 said:
Yeah, and you can get 2x the amount of gasoline per barrel of oil than you get from diesel. And the tax on diesel is higher than gas...
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if you can only get ~half as much diesel per barrel as gas, plus diesel is taxed more? then why is diesel fuel only ~$0.20 more per gallon......and not double?

my theory is that "big oil" found out 5 years ago when fuel costs doubled, we all depend on fuel so much, we were willing to pay the new costs. Whats the incentive to reduce the price. Not to mention big oil made record profits during the economy bust.

sorry to hi-jack with my unsupported "theories".
Diesel is awesome power food for my vehicles!!! nuf said
 
GarnerFJ40 said:
Al, from the fractionation of crude into gas the yield is 19.5 gallons and diesel is 9.2. So, from the same barrel of oil you will produce 2x the amount of gasoline than diesel, not use 2x.
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We are saying the same thing just going about it a different way. To be sure, i'm saying they use 2x the amount of oil from from each barrel to make gas vs diesel which is true. They use 19.5 gallons vs 9.2. I'm not saying they use 2x the amount of crude to make a gallon of diesel vs a gallon of gas. That is what I thought you were saying in your first post. :cheers:
 
1974FJ said:
if you can only get ~half as much diesel per barrel as gas, plus diesel is taxed more? then why is diesel fuel only ~$0.20 more per gallon......and not double?

my theory is that "big oil" found out 5 years ago when fuel costs doubled, we all depend on fuel so much, we were willing to pay the new costs. Whats the incentive to reduce the price. Not to mention big oil made record profits during the economy bust.

sorry to hi-jack with my unsupported "theories".
Diesel is awesome power food for my vehicles!!! nuf said
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See my above post. I thought he was saying the exact same thing you are saying but I think he was just saying that for every barrel of oil we get 2x more of the crude is allocated towards gas vs diesel. :cheers:
 
If the vm motor that has been in the liberty is a standard this will be rock solid reliable.

I hope they sell the pants off of them. If I was looking for a 1/2 ton truck or new syv next year those would be my only choices. The better those sell the more likely GM, ford and Toyota will follow suit.
 
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