12 Volt Heaters

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Guys that sleep in your Cruisers,

I was thinking of using a 12 Volt heater inside the truck for camping. This would draw less amps than a 12-110 converter with a 110 volt heater. Any brands that you have tried that you liked?

I did a Google search for 12 volt heaters and there are several brands. Any experience with them? I will be in a location that will get down to probably 30 at night, would like to have about 60 degrees in the truck.

Thanks
SS
 
I've never used any sort of heater, but one thing to keep in mind is there is no 'free lunch' with heaters. The heat is the energy changing forms...so you can't really have a 'bad' heater. For example, one would think that you should get a 12v heater, so you don't run a heater after a 12->110v inverter, since inverters are not very efficient...however, inverters aren't very efficient, because they turn a fair amount of power into...heat. So, whether using 12v directly or a 110v heater after a inverter, it really doesn't matter, since the extra wasted energy is only wasted because it's being turned into heat...course if your inverter was not in the vehicle then it could be more 'wasted' by trying to heat the outside. However, the amount of energy you'd need is amazing...at 12v, a 10amp draw would give you a whopping 120watts, basically a 100 watt light-bulb...and even at that, a normal car battery wouldn't last over 4-5 hours before being totally dead. A normal house heater is more like 1000 watts or 1500 watts...to get 1200 watts you'd need a continous drain of 100amps on the battery/charging-system, if on a battery it would last for probably 15 minutes, should be more like 30, but most battery lose effectiveness the faster you discharge them, more internal losses...with the engine running and the right alternator it would be possible, but if the engine is running anyway, then it would make more sense to just use a normal coolant/fan heater...

Good Luck...
 
A simple me too here. Any heater that you battery will power won't provide enough heat to matter. Not over an exteneded period.

And your car is not exactly well insulated. It won't hold heat worth a darn. You'd be warmer in a small tent (it will hold your body heat in better than the car will and you will wind up with a warmer environment in the tent.

Get a decent sleeping bag and call it good.


Mark...
 
I have to agree with what was stated above, that 12V heaters are battery killers, and sleeping inside a truck in a cold environment is a bad idea all around. How do I know? I slept in the back of a pickup truck for two years when I lived up and down the coast being a surf bum, with trips to Baja and the Mojave Desert. For six more years, I camped in the back of the truck. Then, I camped in the back of my Xterra for a year and a half on several winter desert trips. I now sleep in the back of the Cruiser, but only on balmy nights when cold is not a factor and I don't want to deal with bringing a tent.

In cold conditions, the metal cocoon that is your truck will sap the heat right out of your sleeping mat, your bag, and eventually, you. I learned this the hard way. Many a night, I woke up at 03:00, unable to feel my feet, while my buddies in their tents slept like cozy babies. I'd get up and crawl to the fire or a butane heater to try and heat up my toes. A couple of times, I became very sick from hypothermia, and my compromised immune system that resulted from night after night of fitful, freezing sleep resulted in trips ending early. It should have occurred to me earlier that sleeping in the truck was the culprit, but as a Middle Eastern guy who is far more comfy in 110ºF hell than in cold weather, I always assumed it was because I wasn't "made" for cold weather.

I experimented with heaters, but none worked to my needs. The 12V heater was wuss, barely heated at all, then died around 02:00, which left me cold for the rest of the night. Then my buddy lent me his "heater buddy", which ran on propane and had some catalytic doo-hickey that meant it could be used in a tent or vehicle. That damn thing was hotter than fire, and I was afraid of the CO2 or burning my bag or self up, so that was a no go. Then I tried waiting until I got cold and woke up, at which time I would stuff my socks with those heater coal packets that you see in survival kits. That worked okay, bu my thighs and ass were still freezing, and I didn't have enough coal packets.

My friends couldn't figure it out, and kept calling me a Nancy Boy for always neing cold, until one night I slept in a tent, because I knew the temps would get down around 0º, the coldest temps I'd ever camped in, and I figured I was better off next to a human being who I could turn to and say "I'm dying of hypothermia. Please help." Guess what? I slept better than if I was at home in my own bed! I was sold on the tent thing, no matter how much trouble it was to carry and set up.
 
Use a heating blanket thru an inverter on a spare battery. The battery will need to be charged after use.

You can also use a rock from the inside of your fire ring. Take the hot rock and roll it up in a towel and place it in the bottom of your bag. You will be amazed how warm you and your toes will be.
 
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Phil,

I did see 12 volt heating blankets. Found one that draws 4 amps. Would I still need an additional battery to run the blanket?



SS
 
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Assuming you don't have a fire ring, a Nalgene bottle filled with hot water in the bottom of your bag is similarly wonderful. My dog likes one in his bed, too. :)
 
polarweasel said:
Assuming you don't have a fire ring, a Nalgene bottle filled with hot water in the bottom of your bag is similarly wonderful. My dog likes one in his bed, too. :)

This works well, until the time you don't tighten the bottle all the way. :doh:
 
I also have experimented with all kinds of 12VDC heaters and even built one myself. The one I built is now my load bank for testing batteries cause it drew 30 Amps DC!

I have a pure Sine wave inverter that is very efficient. I purchased a 1500 watt heater and ran it on the inverter. I ended up having to run two 660 AH batteries in parallel to run the heater one night. The heater had a stat and was set to 50 degrees.

The best solution I have found is to use an electric blanket and a small 300 watt inverter running on the #2 non starting battery. Runs all night no sweat. Then we charge the #2 in the AM while we drive.

I run all my 12 VDC stuff on the number 2 battery.

Wife and I sleep in the back of the pickup just fine.

For a quik warm up in the AM we run a Mr. Heater on a 5 gallon Propane bottle. (Outside) Wife gets warm right away, no smoke or waiting for a fire. We like the heater cause we don't always (seldom) have a fire. We don't like the smoke late at night and don't like to worry about setting the world on fire,

JB
 
Coleman makes a heater for use inside a car:
SurvivalCat Emergency Preparedness Kit

It puts out 800 BTUs.

And they have others that put out 3000 BTUs.

They are supposed to be safe because they use a catalytic reaction and don't have an open flame. Apparently they don't create much carbon-monoxide, though they put out CO2 and water vapor. You'll probably get alot of condensation on the inside of the windows.

I don't think I'd use it overnight while I was sleeping, but it might be nice to warm up in the morning.
 
Decker's Tent Heaters

Has anybody used these L.P. heaters for tents? I could not attach a link to their site for some reason. Just google Deckers hot water system, tent heaters,etc.
This looks like it would work and should be no problem with CM.

Ideas?
 
Shahram said:
I have to agree with what was stated above, that 12V heaters are battery killers, and sleeping inside a truck in a cold environment is a bad idea all around. How do I know? I slept in the back of a pickup truck for two years when I lived up and down the coast being a surf bum, with trips to Baja and the Mojave Desert. ...
In all that you never mention the "rainforest effect" that inevitably happens when you sleep in a car.

When you're hot humid breath hits the cold windows and metal surfaces inside a car or truck it condenses. If you are in say a pick-up with a metal cap it will actually rain inside. Bonus! Now your wet and cold!
 
Propane also creates huge amounts of water vapor.

The only propane heater I would consider are the Zodi tent heaters with an exteranl heat exchanger. Or another similar type unit. These might even work in a car.
 
Rusty,

Your right, I have been there. That is the reason I am going to a tent.

Gman
 
voltswagon had some heaters in there vans dont know if it was factory or aftermarket but my 80 vanagon had a gas heater that ran off the gas tank the freaking thing was the s***.check into it.the unit itself was not that big either.
 
cruiser88 said:
voltswagon had some heaters in there vans dont know if it was factory or aftermarket but my 80 vanagon had a gas heater that ran off the gas tank the freaking thing was the s***.check into it.the unit itself was not that big either.


correct, i modified one of these to work in my race rabbit that i consequently ended up having to drive all winter long when my other car collapsed. was a nice alternative sseeing as i had ripped out the old coolant flowed heater core and box years before.

do a search on ESPAR heaters (not on here), thats what they're called and boy do they crank some serious heat :eek:
 
i was driving to a caving convention in 97 it was about 3 thousand degrees outside.was in my van.but anyway i noticed a problem the freaking heat kicked in could not shut it off.freak i was dying ended up taking a pair of vise grips and grimping the fuel line to the heater to shut it off.later replaced the switch.could not even pull the fuse out due to what it was wired into.what a dam mess
 

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