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Ya, after running Upper Ajax....I'd say it's probably a bit harder than AA just due to the big pair of rocks in the tightest part of the canyon (right before the first waterfall). Sean

They're right. I don't know about the newest Foxes and SAWs....but the old ones were rated to handle a rig that totaled about 3500 lbs. max. From what I understand, the Big Horn brand air shox will support vehicles in the 4-4500 lbs range. I have friends running the Big Horns on their Jeeps...

Well, when you figure it up....it's about 560lbs per corner. Putting the rear unsprung weight at a touch over 1100 lbs. I am curious to know the total weight on my pig. Based on the corner weights and what I know the axles/tires to be, I'd guess I'm right at 3600.....heavy for a buggy, but...

100#ers, but they were 14" long. The new ones will be 16"....which should keep the rate the same (at 67#/in) but will give 2" of lift.....which is what I need for the weight I carry. Sean

Upper Ajax Pics: Sean

Ledge obstacle after I've fallen in..... Another angle and kinda shows why I couldn't back up without toasting that rear passenger side axle: Best pic of the day: The big waterfall on Axle Alley: Me: Larry: Dave: 'Nother Fall: Last one on AA: Sean

John, Rate is determined by taking the top spring times the bottom spring and then dividing by the two added together. So, the springs I'm running now are a 200 lb lower X 200 lb upper which equals 40000. You then divide that by the sum of the two or 400....which equals 100#/in. I'm...

This is a trip report I posted elsewhere of yesterday's trip out in FJ. Some of it may not make as much sense since some of it is in response to questions about my tires, etc. from another forum. I'm lazy though so I'm just gonna copy/paste. I will try and get pics up soon....no guarantees...

At least me an one other vehicle (maybe two or 3 others) are going out tomorrow. Plan is to run H2H and AA. If the weather is good.....we'll probably go out Saturday as well and maybe run something like Elvis and Bad Medicine. We're kinda just playing it by ear at this point. Don't know how...

I can't leave it at Mineral Mtn. I don't have my STL permit. If I go with you guys in the morning, I'll leave it at the highschool or on the dirt road for Telegraph and back track to it after running Upper Ajax. If I meet you guys at the mine, I'll just park it on BLM land past the first...

Thanks for the offer....most likely I'll just back track the way we come in if I don't just meet you at the mine. What CB channel do you guys normally run? Sean

So what's the consensus on me meeting you guys around noon at Ajax mine? Bad idea? Anyone know the weather for tomorrow off hand? It was raining at my house in Mesa a few hours ago. Sean

Do we know yet who all is definitely coming? Looks like Carl, Claudia and AZ FJ so far. I'm wondering if maybe I should just meet you guys at Upper Ajax rather than back tracking to my tow rig at the end of the day? If you're thinking of having lunch there around noon, I could just get...

Ya, I've wheeled with him before and cannot remember his name at the moment. Steve or Randy? Pics would be awesome if you can find 'em. If not, no biggie. Just curious. Thanks, Sean

Do I have to drive on the road at all then though? I'd rather leave it on Telegraph Canyon road where it turns to dirt (if there is such a place). Btw, great map! Sean

Is there a place on BLM land I can park my trailer and tow rig on the Telegraph Canyon side? I don't have a current STL permit. Anyone know what office I need to go to now to get one....maybe I can go down today and pick one up? Sean

How far is Telegraph Canyon to Ajax? I've never done Telegraph and I'm assuming the enterance is pretty close to the Mineral Mtn and 60 junction (sounds like ~ 8 miles). I could just backtrack after Ajax.....but, are there already plans to run these trails in this area? What I'm saying is...

So what's the plan for Thursday? Are some people still going out and if so, what trail(s) do you guys plan to do? Sean

I think it's just the angle of the pic.....you'd have to be standing much farther to the right when taking the picture to see up into the V notch where it goes vertical. Sean PS. Thanks Spike for making the new thread.....definitely more appropriate. Sorry for getting off track here.

Maybe this is a stupid question, but do any of you guys think the V notch off to the left of the ledge (if you're going up) is doable? I remember at least 5 years ago being out there in my full bodied Toy (this was before I rolled it and put on the partial exo and flatbed) and thinking...