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Well There was a bit of information in the trailer thread about what Gavin and I got up to on the weekend but I thought a new thread would be better to post pictures and details.

Later last year I found a random ad on Used Victoria that was poorly done with little detail and a title that was almost impossible to search. I e-mailed back and forth and determined he had two HJ60's one a 86 and one a 87 both 5spd and both not drivable. We talked back and forth but I never went any further trying to keep a limit to my spending saving for my upcoming wedding. Talked to Gavin a bit about it as well but we where both not in the position to do anything like that.

Fast forward to last week and I sent to guy a e-mail again to see if he still had them. He did and was much more reasonable on his price, to the point I could not find a reason not too.

So after last week of running around getting trailer harnesses and hitch receivers thanks all who contributed parts! We pulled out of Langley at 4:45am Saturday morning headed to the Ferry for Swartz bay. Once we got over there I headed to U haul to pick up the trailer I had booked. Interesting point of note I saved $130 by getting the trailer in Langford vs Victory for a one way tow.

At 11AM we arrived at out destination in Sooke, both of us where excited to see what we where getting. All we knew getting there is they where 2H 5spd's that where not drivable. The one they had been driving broke a pinion and locked up the rear end. The other was a parts truck with a collapsed frame.

Before hand knowing there rear end was messed up we stopped by Kim's and grabbed a complete rear axle in case the one truck with the sized pinion was to far gone to repair we would swap axles. Turned out the pinion was wedged between the casing and the diff, locking it all solid and making it impossible to turn the diff to drop the pin to remove the C clips. So Gavin grabbed this out of my truck.

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Fortunently the guy we got them off of was very nice and had his generator there for us to use and air. It made all this possible really as his house was a good 200M up the hill.

After a hour or so cutting and hammering we had this.

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Once that was out it was 45min or so of cleaning up all the mating surfaces and cleaning out broken pits of bearings and teeth.

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Of note this truck was parked in the one spot in this area that had a puddle or slow flowing water......it was wet. We where very lucky the rain held off most the day, it opened up as we where pulling out at 5:30. This truck fired up and ran well after warming up, bit smoky (glow issue) and the injectors where making some noise) Gavin rolled it forwards and back after we got it all buttoned up and she was good breaks worked well and so sis the rear diff.

The parts truck was not drivable as the frame was in bad shape. I was also not able to get it running, the glow system was dead and there was no fuel so I used the starter to get it on the trailer, worked a treat.

The drive home was uneventful although exciting towing that much weight wit the 80 it did well. The silver HJ drove fantastic on the trip home and subsequent days on the road. The 5spd is such a nice tranny, the silver one with the 5spd feels about a peppy as Gavins turbo 2h Auto it quite a difference in driving the two. The silver one has a OME suspension in it with the pre Dakar springs and wearing out OME shocks with anti invention shackles as well. The body is pretty far gone and the frame has a few holes but nothing to bad yet, could be easily patched up and go another few years. I did a diesel purge on it Sunday and it idles much much better now, no smoke or injector hammering. I adjusted the idle a bit from its low 500rpm up to 750 and its really running well. The guy we got it from thought it was to far gone to make it run well again and drive he was really looking forward to see us drive away in it. It was funny to see how easy the fixes where on it with just a little bit of time and knowledge.

I'm still working on the parts truck, I want to get it running so we can test the tranny and other parts before we strip it and start selling off parts. The guy said his buddy that had it before had done a bunch of maintainence on it and he thought that motor was in much better shape, that is yet too be seen. I also plan to do a compression test as well on both before to long as well. Main issue I'm having with the parts one after sitting for 5 years is it seems to oil pump lost it prime. I was able to bleed all the bad fuel out of the inj and replace to glow plugs with good ones. So its firing now but the EDIC is killing it after 5sec with not seeing oil pressure. So I need to do some more digging there.

Once the parts one is stripped and the silver one is sold we plan to take the tranny from the parts one and swap it into Gavins HJ60 and get rid of the auto, the auto is still working great but after driving the 5spd's its a must do mod.

So anyone looking for random HJ60 parts, electrical, mechanical or otherwise let us know. Also has factory A/C and cruise lol.

We will also soon have the Silver one up for sale as soon as I get compression numbers and it cleaned up a bit. So anyone looking for a HJ60 5spd with 320kms let us know as well. Like I said the body is rusty and the frame has a few holes but the frame can be patched for a few years at least or get a JDM frame from EBI.

One parting picture to show what my parents nabours get to deal with now. (goot thing our parents are in AZ for another month :D)


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Sounds like a great trip! Two Cruisers, too cool! :D

Love the stump axle stand..... so resourceful :beer:
 
Your 5 speed swap may not be as simple as it sounds. You might be forced to change a lot of the widgets between motors. The auto uses a VSV to kill the motor, the 5 speed uses an EDIC motor. You'll need to swap the injection pump, the two are quite different (if memory serves). I had an auto with a blown motor and a 5 speed as a donour. Because I wasn't in a position to swap drivelines, I thought I could drop the 5 speed motor in as a direct replacement for the blown motor, not so much. It was easier to find another 2H auto and drop that in. Not saying it's not doable, just means swapping around a lot of the peripheral engine components.
Nice score!! BTW
 
Your 5 speed swap may not be as simple as it sounds. You might be forced to change a lot of the widgets between motors. The auto uses a VSV to kill the motor, the 5 speed uses an EDIC motor. You'll need to swap the injection pump, the two are quite different (if memory serves). I had an auto with a blown motor and a 5 speed as a donour. Because I wasn't in a position to swap drivelines, I thought I could drop the 5 speed motor in as a direct replacement for the blown motor, not so much. It was easier to find another 2H auto and drop that in. Not saying it's not doable, just means swapping around a lot of the peripheral engine components.
Nice score!! BTW

Yeah we have 3 5spd injections pumps and 3 EDIC motors between the two trucks and the 3rd engine that was in the back of the parts truck. Nice part with the HJ60 is the harnesses are all the same auto to manual so the hard part is taken care of.

The simplest way for us to do this is the pull the complete engine tranny from the 5spd parts truck and swap it into Gavins pulling his auto and engine. Bolt them in and then do the pedal bucket and shifters. That is part of the reason I want to get the parts truck up and running so we can asses the engine and tranny as a whole.

Tonight I am going to remove the oil filter and see if I have any oil movement when I crank it. If not I will dig deeper, remove pan, oil pressure by pass and so on. Love working on these trucks there so simple.
 
Cool! looked like fun!
 
Well tonight I wanted to get the parts truck running. First thing I did was remove the oil filter and cranked it to see if we got oil...check. I then reinstalled the filter and moved over to the vaccume pump oil feed and croaked it then cranked.....oil again after a few cranks. Then started looking over the pressure sender, removed the EDIC to gain acsess to it. Took it out and had oil come out so.....check again. I then started thinking maybe it was a somthing else, I have oil supply but the gauge is not working the EDIC is turning off fuel after 5sec even when the oil switch sensor is un plugged. So I looked at the fuse box.....yep missing a few.....oh look missing the "engine" fuse....hmm took the tail like one and put it in there. Stated it again oil pressure on the guage.....sweet! Hook up the EDIC and wow that works too!! Plunge in the low pressure switch and still working. Ran it for a good 20min to get all the crap and fuel out of it after cranking it for hours trying to start it. Idled great!!! Once all the crap was cleared out it was clean and smoke free. I decided to look at the glow setup sine it was not workin at all before all this (I was manually glowing with a jumper), checked it with a voltage meeter and get the 24v glow no 14v bit that's ok. Let it cool for 30min and tried it using the glow system, worked a treat and fires right up!

I also put the t case in "N" and and ran the tranny through the gears, all the gears work with no grinds. Sounds like the release bearing is growling a bit but no big deal.

So now the tear down starts, anyone need any obscure parts? 24v hard to find bits? Anything we should make sure we take out (other than the drivetrain)?

Phil thanks for the heads up on all the little bits that need to swapped for the auto to manual. Been studying up on the swap for some time so should be fairly straight forward.
 
I see you got the rare optional zebra safari seat covers. Good scores lol.
 
Doing compression tests on all 3 HJ's tonight as well as new (er) glow plugs on the Gray one and an oil change.

Gray one has cleaned up really well thus far, interior is in good shape. Getting the green moss and pine needles off it helped a bunch too.
 
Well no compression test done last night. The diesel compression gauge we got did not have the right thread for the glow plugs.

Anyone know a place and brand of diesel compression tester that will work and where I can get one?

Thanks
 
kms tools?
Great thread btw!

Gavin made a trip to Harbour Freight today and got one. Everywhere local I called had them but no M10 x 1.25 glow adapters and they where all $200.

Thanks, we had a great time working on them and picking them up. Hope to get the Gray one ready for sale this weekend and then get the green one stripped ASAP.

Jeremy

p.s. part of me really wants to keep the gray one....... :doh:
 
Keep it!
 
And there it begins! :D

HAHAH yeah.......there is a 55 for sale in there that would suite me even better. Perfect recipient for a 2h and H55F :P (no idea if that would fit it just gives me goosebumps thinking about it though).

So today was compression check day! I warmed both truck up one at the time and got to testing.

From memory.......

Silver one:
Cyl# Comp
1 420
2 425
3 420
4 415
5 420
6 420

Green one:
1 460
2 440
3 450
4 440
5 460
6 440

Seems we have two strong 2H engines.

We are testing Gavin's truck tomorrow, at this point I'm thinking we just swap the whole engine and tranny out of the green one into the his truck.

Anyone know what it costs to get he nozzles redone?

I was also able to test drive the green one and its all good too, shifts well and has really good power. :bounce:
 
Injectors for me were $360 bucks in 2003.

Whatever that means.
 
By the way, both sets of numbers you posted are perfect. Stock compression is 427.
 

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