Alignment Problem and Specs

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The only problem I had with my install was the part that I didn't do myself (go figure, right?).

I insisted that the shop print out the alignment specs once finished. Upon going to get the vehicle back I didn't look at the sheet until I was going through my paper work at home.

The shop NEVER told me there was an alignment problem when I picked up the vehicle. I called them when I found the sheet, and they made the excuse that it was "normal" for aftermarket suspension system to not return back to within factory spec.

I told them that was BS and that this kit WOULD fall back into PERFECT spec. This is not some ridiculous 6" lift with no diff-drop. As of now, I have a very slight pull to the right, which is apparent when accelerating heavily, braking, and hitting speed bumps. It takes a constant adjustment to hold a straight line -- very minor but there none the less.

Also, the steering feels much heavier than it did before. I was curious if you guys with bumpers notice the heavier steering than before your bumpers? I believe that the border-line low caster (on both left and right side) is what is causing the heavy feeling. Can any alignment experts comment on this, maybe?

If at all possible (and I would GREATLY appreciate it), could you guys call your alignment shops and have them fax you a copy of your alignment sheets? They keep them on file.

I'd really like to know if just maybe they are not telling the truth either and the system really doesn't fall perfectly back into spec.

My tech said that he maxed out the camber adjustment and still could not get it within spec.



When I called ARB/OME about this, they told me that the shop was wrong and that the LC200 will fall back into spec. They also said that Toyota has a "special" way of doing this and it might have to be done by a dealership. Anyone aware of this either?

Anyways, if you guys could send me your spec sheets to prove to them it can be done, I would GREATLY appreciate it.

I am taking it back tomorrow and am going to watch this getting redone. If they can't do it, I will demand a credit and take it to Toyota.

Here is mine. Notice the asterisk (*) and the note at the bottom:


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JB...this is funny...I just had an alignment done this morning. I had the results in my pocket when I opened up your link. Here she is:

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I don't know jack about alignment, but could your numbers be a result of no UCAs? or did you end up putting them in?
 
JB...this is funny...I just had an alignment done this morning. I had the results in my pocket when I opened up your link. Here she is:

I don't know jack about alignment, but could your numbers be a result of no UCAs? or did you end up putting them in?

I do not have the UCAs, but according to ARB I don't need them.

But I may be missing something here...MANY of your final alignemnt specs are not within "spec" either.

Both your Camber (left and right) and SAI (left and right) are NOT within spec.

Do you feel your steering to be heavy?
 
I do not have the UCAs, but according to ARB I don't need them.

But I may be missing something here...MANY of your final alignemnt specs are not within "spec" either.

Both your Camber (left and right) and SAI (left and right) are NOT within spec.

Do you feel your steering to be heavy?

Look over my sheet again...Camber is within spec. As far as the SAI goes, not sure what that is (maybe you could enlighten me). Steering isn't heavy at all. My toe out was bad going in, and now that that is fixed, she runs straight.
 
Look over my sheet again...Camber is within spec. As far as the SAI goes, not sure what that is (maybe you could enlighten me). Steering isn't heavy at all. My toe out was bad going in, and now that that is fixed, she runs straight.

Camber and caster are the two biggies to worry about. You are correct -- your camber is within spec (my stupidity with negative numbers!).

Copy and pasted:
Steering Axis Inclination (SAI)

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SAI is the measurement in degrees of the steering pivot line when viewed from the front of the vehicle. This angle, when added to the camber to form the included angle (see below) causes the vehicle to lift slightly when you turn the wheel away from a straight ahead position. This action uses the weight of the vehicle to cause the steering wheel to return to the center when you let go of it after making a turn. Because of this, if the SAI is different from side to side, it will cause a pull at very slow speeds. Most alignment machines have a way to measure SAI; however it is not separately adjustable. The most likely cause for SAI being out is bent parts which must be replaced to correct the condition. SAI is also referred to as KPI (King Pin Inclination) on [COLOR=#006200 ! important][COLOR=#006200 ! important]trucks[/COLOR][/COLOR]
and old cars with king pins instead of ball joints.​
 
BENT PARTS!!!!
That is why my SAI is out of spec! Darn it! I do like to drive, and off-road with aggresiveness is the most fun. Also, getting my front two TRD wheels off to install the new wheels was a real pain. It took a whole bunch of hoofin which probably bent the $hit out of something.

Thanks for the info, I appreciate learning new things...and it's great when people share.
 
BENT PARTS!!!!
That is why my SAI is out of spec! Darn it! I do like to drive, and off-road with aggresiveness is the most fun. Also, getting my front two TRD wheels off to install the new wheels was a real pain. It took a whole bunch of hoofin which probably bent the $hit out of something.

Thanks for the info, I appreciate learning new things...and it's great when people share.

How do you know? Did you go outside right now and look or something?
 
Still waiting for Mitch's alignment sheet :grinpimp:

I just think it would be good to gather these because a lot of people here have "said" they get theirs back in spec...but with no proof. Just want to keep good shops honest.
 
Well guys, I'm trying to post my results but the chart comes out confusing. I don't have a scanner to upload it, which would make life much easier, so I'll give you the cliff notes.

After the lift was done, everything looked like it was in spec. However, after coming across this thread I pulled the paperwork and noticed they used 2006 specs. :mad: So I called a local shop, verified they had current specs, and had them check it. Turns out my F & L caster (1.4/1.3), L toe (.50), Total Toe (.61), and Steer Ahead (.19) were out of spec. Total Toe and Steer Ahead were the worse. I'm assuming Steer Ahead in some combination of Cross Camber and Cross Caster. After they made adjustments, the L & R caster were still out of spec (1.2/1.4). I'll be calling them to see why that is. Before leaving, they informed me of it saying it will not cause abnormal wear, only heavy or light steering feel. I have 90 days to take it back.

Rookie mistake on my part, I know. But hey, I am a rookie, never moded a vehicle before and I am enjoying every minute of this one. :cheers:
 
Well guys, I'm trying to post my results but the chart comes out confusing. I don't have a scanner to upload it, which would make life much easier, so I'll give you the cliff notes.

After the lift was done, everything looked like it was in spec. However, after coming across this thread I pulled the paperwork and noticed they used 2006 specs. :mad: So I called a local shop, verified they had current specs, and had them check it. Turns out my F & L caster (1.4/1.3), L toe (.50), Total Toe (.61), and Steer Ahead (.19) were out of spec. Total Toe and Steer Ahead were the worse. I'm assuming Steer Ahead in some combination of Cross Camber and Cross Caster. After they made adjustments, the L & R caster were still out of spec (1.2/1.4). I'll be calling them to see why that is. Before leaving, they informed me of it saying it will not cause abnormal wear, only heavy or light steering feel. I have 90 days to take it back.

Rookie mistake on my part, I know. But hey, I am a rookie, never moded a vehicle before and I am enjoying every minute of this one. :cheers:

I'd still like to see Mitch's alignment sheet. I really don't believe that this kit will fall EXACTLY back into spec. Close enough, yes, but not definable as IN SPEC. Even Marc's was slightly out of spec on the SAI.

I'm having my alignment redone now that the suspension has settled, so we'll see.

It's sad that shops do not tell their customers when things like this happen, and just make the decision themselves that everything is ok. Using 2006 specs? That's a huge mistake and makes you wonder what other shotty work was performed when they can't even use their own equipment correctly.
 
Apologies for adding to such an old topic but didn't find a more recent on the same.

I recently installed OME703 springs (2" medium load) in the front. Other than having a bit of a lean due to the KDSS, wheel alignment is the real problem. I currently have no additional weight (other than standard) in the front, the local alignment guys tell me they can't get within spec without changing the UCA. (Both Camber and Caster are off on both sides). Toyota dealer actually refused to even touch the alignment, stating "a changed vehicle has different specs than our standards".
Could any of you gentlemen take a peek under your car and see if either one of the adjustments on the lower control arm is turned to its maximum range.
Mine have been adjusted all the way out for the front, and all the way in for the back (when viewed from front). Intuitively this is not correct but the guy with the alignment machine maintained this was the best he could do.
Thanks
 
Anybody with an answer to my question in the previous post?
Thanks
 
Good point, I was not very clear!
What I meant with the front being "out" was the bolt head pointing out and the cam pointing towards the center of the vehicle. I'll see if I can post a pic showing both adjusters.
Thanks,
Nan
 
I agree, it didn't seem right. I had expected the right solution to be turning both adjusters outside to offset the negative camber caused by the longer springs. This should not have seriously affected the caster which is probably way off now judging by the nervous steering.
Its a general problem to find skilled labor for anything here in Saudi. When they couldn't find the LC200 in their alignment machine everything became very difficult even though I gave them the alignment data.
I'll go back tomorrow morning, see if I can do it myself :)
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