I’d assume you’d make more by selling private as the HE’s still command a premium. You’d probably be around $80k privately and would need a $75k trade in offer to financially break even.
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That's about right based on my numbers and Texas sales tax/credits, but I also have to factor the convenience of just trading in and be done with it, you know? So, just breaking even might not be enough...need to have an added juice there for a private sale to make sense. It is also an incentive for the private buyer, since they won't pay dealer's price - If the dealer gets it in for $75k, they will probably ask close to $85k at their lot. All that assuming I can convince myself on selling it.
I was thinking of selling private but ended up trading my GX. Tax credit is good but having to put up with people low balling is just draining.That's about right based on my numbers and Texas sales tax/credits, but I also have to factor the convenience of just trading in and be done with it, you know? So, just breaking even might not be enough...need to have an added juice there for a private sale to make sense. It is also an incentive for the private buyer, since they won't pay dealer's price - If the dealer gets it in for $75k, they will probably ask close to $85k at their lot. All that assuming I can convince myself on selling it.
Yeah, it just really depends on your situation though as the 200’s around you and me are ridiculous priced and I think you can demand close to a dealer’s retail listing for a Heritage. Just have to actually do the legwork.That's about right based on my numbers and Texas sales tax/credits, but I also have to factor the convenience of just trading in and be done with it, you know? So, just breaking even might not be enough...need to have an added juice there for a private sale to make sense. It is also an incentive for the private buyer, since they won't pay dealer's price - If the dealer gets it in for $75k, they will probably ask close to $85k at their lot. All that assuming I can convince myself on selling it.
Yes, agreed but MRego’s Heritage should be easier to keep low ballers away. Could just ignore them as there should be enough interested parties to weed out the dorks.
In 2018 when my wife rolled up to both Toyota dealerships on the west side of Houston in her 125k '06 LC both dealerships were not interested in selling a Land Cruiser. Don McGill told her that there were no 200s to drive, she could not test drive before ordering, and would have to put down a non-refundable deposit. This was the order of Gulf States Toyota, one of the "world's largest distributors of Toyotas" that did not want to bring them in. Was it because there was no demand, or was it because MOST people would spend the extra (fact check me on this) $13k and just buy the LX570? Perhaps the largest distributor in the US just wanted you to buy the more expensive LX? If you can afford a late model LC, you can likely spring for the LX IMHO and if you don't your Toyota dealership experience will make you wish you had. I think Slee told me the LX outsold the LC 200 three to one? Same thing for the new LC, why in the world would you buy that buzzy turbo four hybrid over a base GX550?
Were LC's difficult to source out side of my Texas bubble? No clue but I can't swing a cat at a stoplight in my west Houston zip code without hitting a damn nice 100, 200, 300, but Eric Sargent's dealership (where I bought my 200) sold more 200s than anyone else in the country.
If you want to get noticed, Toyota USA HQ is in Dallas. Show up and start talking. My bet is that most automakers lose money on most enthusiast oriented vehicles, and I bet Toyota of NA has the same hunch.
My mother has the LX600 now, and I don't want it back.
Were LC's difficult to source out side of my Texas bubble? No clue but I can't swing a cat at a stoplight in my west Houston zip code without hitting a damn nice 100, 200, 300, but Eric Sargent's dealership (where I bought my 200) sold more 200s than anyone else in the country.
If you want to get noticed, Toyota USA HQ is in Dallas. Show up and start talking. My bet is that most automakers lose money on most enthusiast oriented vehicles, and I bet Toyota of NA has the same hunch.
My mother has the LX600 now, and I don't want it back.
What didn't you like about it compared to the 200?
I just spent 2 hours doing their damn survey just so i could tell them how i feel about the s***ty "premium" stereo, rear leg room and third row design.
Yep...by now, IMO, it is pretty clear that the 3row design shows the 700h, with that battery placement, is really a 2row SUV. There is no amount of marketing that could convince the general population the current solution is appropriate. They might have gotten away with that in the Sequoia, which is a much longer suv, but not it the LX.
I am sure Lexus is getting more and more 2row requests. My dealer told me today mine should be landing around beginning of November and told me there are more 2rows in bound. Pretty soon, Lexus will start offering that without the need of a special request.
@MRego
It was a disappointing experience for a six figure automobile. Too many compromises were made in the name of gov. regulation or fuel economy that just kept bugging me, and when I would drive other Toyota products in the household (2020 Sequoia/GX460/200 HE/4th gen 4Runner) the annoyances were not there.
The V6TT makes good power, but the throttle response and interaction with the transmission is annoying if you like a responsive drive. The 2,000 rpm surge of torque to get a heavy vehicle off the line, and the non-linear throttle response made me miss a NA V8. The transmission's shift pattern is balancing a lot of factors at slower speeds, and one needs to be mindful on the throttle to keep it from becoming jerky or confused. Vehicle would make the jump to light speed if asked, and sport mode would help with throttle response, but day to day it became annoying to drive. Perhaps the hybrid 700 helps? Wish it had a V8.
The ride on our non-AHC was not great, and it seems to run out of suspension travel on large bumps and hit the bump stops. Our dash cam has a slew of images from the suspension bottoming out and capturing an image of an "event", and if we have two rear seat passengers it seems to run through suspension travel pretty fast in the back as well. The suspension dampening seems too open to me, wonder what it is like in the LC300 or other markets. Again, sport mode can help but then it leads to my next complaint...
Handling I don't get. Spent a bike trip this summer piloting the 2020 4WD Sequoia around NM and CO searching trails, and was super impressed with the ride and handling of that monster. I felt more competent hustling that big box around winding CO roads than I really should have, and was more enjoyable to drive.
The body seems to have these weird low frequency vibrations. On bumps and irregular road surfaces (pretty much the entire City of Houston) it just vibrates, or feels like it has body oscillations and shakes. I drive the HE, or a GX460 and they both ride better and feel like a solid tank by comparison. The LX just never feels that solid, and the vibrations to me make it less comfortable on less than perfect surfaces. The body structure, sometimes the bumps feel more like a body jarring crash that should not have been felt as much. I drive a wide assortment of vehicles over the same routes and bumps on a daily basis, and the LX was just not impressive. Not to point the finger and the weight loss, but I wondered if they were trying to balance suspension tuning vs NVH and hit a limit as the chassis just does not have the mass of the earlier vehicles to dampen frequencies.
I like CarPlay and cooled seats, and I could care about the rest of the tech. Stupid touch screen sliders to adjust a fan speed. Car would not let me back up with a bike rack on the back of my car. Engaging the parking brake if I open the door to grab the paper or look at something on the ground. The stop-start that has to be reset every bloody time (Porsche only makes you press it once and remembers, dealer quoted me $1,300 to replace the starter) and the drive mode that does not remember the last mode. Engaging the brakes because it thinks I am going to run over the crossing guards at school. The oppressive seatbelt chime. I remember reading an article that BMW (rather than spending money on reliability) spent money on a nice sounding seatbelt chime. I think Toyota modeled their seatbelt chime off a klaxon horn from a WWII German u-boat. It's like "hey ToyotaLex, let's play a game for a minute and the game is I am a customer and I just bought a six-figure automobile. The US gov did not pay for the car, and not your legal department that is still scared from moving floor mats did not pay as well. Act like the people behind the wheel are customers, and not just future liability claims."
Kids were learning to drive and to save the LX and the 200 we parked them and picked up a 2014 130k GX, and a 2011 cloth-seat 2WD Tahoe with 85k that cost less than my last mountain bike (Trailcat LT). My household might be crazy, but we both prefer daily driving those old POS cars with the V8s and no tech and the LX remained parked for weeks.
With the Jaos wheels, 200 spacers on the front struts and the running boards off, the LX looked great. The interior quality is fantastic, and the seats are super comfortable. Very quiet place to spend time and rapid on the interstate. I liked looking at it but not driving it. I can have boring as crap to look at but like driving for a lot less money.
It was a disappointing experience for a six figure automobile. Too many compromises were made in the name of gov. regulation or fuel economy that just kept bugging me, and when I would drive other Toyota products in the household (2020 Sequoia/GX460/200 HE/4th gen 4Runner) the annoyances were not there.
The V6TT makes good power, but the throttle response and interaction with the transmission is annoying if you like a responsive drive. The 2,000 rpm surge of torque to get a heavy vehicle off the line, and the non-linear throttle response made me miss a NA V8. The transmission's shift pattern is balancing a lot of factors at slower speeds, and one needs to be mindful on the throttle to keep it from becoming jerky or confused. Vehicle would make the jump to light speed if asked, and sport mode would help with throttle response, but day to day it became annoying to drive. Perhaps the hybrid 700 helps? Wish it had a V8.
The ride on our non-AHC was not great, and it seems to run out of suspension travel on large bumps and hit the bump stops. Our dash cam has a slew of images from the suspension bottoming out and capturing an image of an "event", and if we have two rear seat passengers it seems to run through suspension travel pretty fast in the back as well. The suspension dampening seems too open to me, wonder what it is like in the LC300 or other markets. Again, sport mode can help but then it leads to my next complaint...
Handling I don't get. Spent a bike trip this summer piloting the 2020 4WD Sequoia around NM and CO searching trails, and was super impressed with the ride and handling of that monster. I felt more competent hustling that big box around winding CO roads than I really should have, and was more enjoyable to drive.
The body seems to have these weird low frequency vibrations. On bumps and irregular road surfaces (pretty much the entire City of Houston) it just vibrates, or feels like it has body oscillations and shakes. I drive the HE, or a GX460 and they both ride better and feel like a solid tank by comparison. The LX just never feels that solid, and the vibrations to me make it less comfortable on less than perfect surfaces. The body structure, sometimes the bumps feel more like a body jarring crash that should not have been felt as much. I drive a wide assortment of vehicles over the same routes and bumps on a daily basis, and the LX was just not impressive. Not to point the finger and the weight loss, but I wondered if they were trying to balance suspension tuning vs NVH and hit a limit as the chassis just does not have the mass of the earlier vehicles to dampen frequencies.
I like CarPlay and cooled seats, and I could care about the rest of the tech. Stupid touch screen sliders to adjust a fan speed. Car would not let me back up with a bike rack on the back of my car. Engaging the parking brake if I open the door to grab the paper or look at something on the ground. The stop-start that has to be reset every bloody time (Porsche only makes you press it once and remembers, dealer quoted me $1,300 to replace the starter) and the drive mode that does not remember the last mode. Engaging the brakes because it thinks I am going to run over the crossing guards at school. The oppressive seatbelt chime. I remember reading an article that BMW (rather than spending money on reliability) spent money on a nice sounding seatbelt chime. I think Toyota modeled their seatbelt chime off a klaxon horn from a WWII German u-boat. It's like "hey ToyotaLex, let's play a game for a minute and the game is I am a customer and I just bought a six-figure automobile. The US gov did not pay for the car, and not your legal department that is still scared from moving floor mats did not pay as well. Act like the people behind the wheel are customers, and not just future liability claims."
Kids were learning to drive and to save the LX and the 200 we parked them and picked up a 2014 130k GX, and a 2011 cloth-seat 2WD Tahoe with 85k that cost less than my last mountain bike (Trailcat LT). My household might be crazy, but we both prefer daily driving those old POS cars with the V8s and no tech and the LX remained parked for weeks.
With the Jaos wheels, 200 spacers on the front struts and the running boards off, the LX looked great. The interior quality is fantastic, and the seats are super comfortable. Very quiet place to spend time and rapid on the interstate. I liked looking at it but not driving it. I can have boring as crap to look at but like driving for a lot less money.
I drove my friends 2012 GX with 180k miles on it and it is hands down the smoothest most sorted vehicle I have ever driven.
As far as the lx600 vibration and jitter just change the oil to 5-30 and that pretty much goes away. It ls crazy. Before that I wouldnt take a pregnant woman in that car, the supersonic vibrations were pretty scary.
As far as the lx600 vibration and jitter just change the oil to 5-30 and that pretty much goes away. It ls crazy. Before that I wouldnt take a pregnant woman in that car, the supersonic vibrations were pretty scary.
Thanks for the report. Very interesting and I hope most of these issues were solved with the 700OT. Yeah, one of my main concerns is being practically free from safety nannies in the 200 and moving to the 700OT with all sorts of chimes and alerts. On the other hand, some of the driver assist features, which the 200 lacks, are super useful and make road trips that much more enjoyable and less tiring. I guess we can't really have it all.
My quips with the Lx600 were similar to @doktorno , though I'd figured out how to get rid of most of the safety nannies and adjusted my driving style to the odd throttle.
The 700hOT solves 80% of those. The safety nannies are present, but other than the "cross traffic" warning, and a little menu that lets me know I've turned off the reverse brake safety feature, all the invasive ones are off and stay off.
The third row works for my kids, in fact it's their preferred, so I'll often fold the drivers middle side flat and let them crawl back there (ages 7, 9, and 10). While I'm annoyed at the rear seat set up for cargo, it's not a deal breaker. I expect aftermarket floors and drawers in the future, and when my kids are grown I'll most likely replace it.
The 600's throttle problems are mostly solved in the 700h. The electric torque fills in the gaps where the clunks occurred, and it's quite fast for such a large vehicle.
It's not perfect. But it's my favorite vehicle overall of the current available market.
The 700hOT solves 80% of those. The safety nannies are present, but other than the "cross traffic" warning, and a little menu that lets me know I've turned off the reverse brake safety feature, all the invasive ones are off and stay off.
The third row works for my kids, in fact it's their preferred, so I'll often fold the drivers middle side flat and let them crawl back there (ages 7, 9, and 10). While I'm annoyed at the rear seat set up for cargo, it's not a deal breaker. I expect aftermarket floors and drawers in the future, and when my kids are grown I'll most likely replace it.
The 600's throttle problems are mostly solved in the 700h. The electric torque fills in the gaps where the clunks occurred, and it's quite fast for such a large vehicle.
It's not perfect. But it's my favorite vehicle overall of the current available market.
