Stormwater Recycling

[wfd175]

Water Recycling, Rainwater Recycling
I'm doing some research for work and was wondering if any mud members either in the US or abroad have had any exposure and/or experience with stormwater recycling or water recycling on a commerical scale.

Some programs are avail. in Ariz and Autrallia.

I'm needing you Input.

Thanks,
wfd175
a.k.a.

Joe Klak
BFA Engingeering
Washington, Missouri 63090
jklak@bfaeng.com

 

[Tunnelratt]

I have been dealing with the California programs from their humble beginnings, we have a new program that is on it way to full blown enforcement, MS4, in it's simplest explanation, you think the cost of housing is bad now! just wait until land developers and home builders are bound by these new rules.
I am a land developer, I have a project that hopefully will start 3rd quarter next year, 60 million c/y of grading, I just sat through a presentation from Rain for Rent, they are a nationwide company and are in the water recycling business in a big way, the only number I have at home right now is a local office 805-525-3306, I am sure if you contact them they will give you the help you need, otherwise I will get some other numbers from my office tomorrow. Steve

 

[Mace]

without understanding what your purposes for the "stormwater". We cannot really answer your question.. Do you need to process it? are coliforms an issue? lots of questions..

 

[Tunnelratt]

True statement Mace, California has SWPPP, Storm Water Pollution Prevention Program, among others, and these programs encompass hundreds if not thousands of questions and what if scenarios, the original meaning of the question could be as simple as " how do I catch rain water and recycle for my own use" I agree, to answer effectively, we need more info. Steve

 

[wfd175]

Not talking SWPPP

The purpose of the recycling this stormwater irrigation, manufacturing, H/C, potable sources, etc..

I was trying not to sway the responses by saying specific end uses. We have an abundance of stormwater runoff available on our projects after first flush.

SWPPP's are intended to take care of pollutants/sediments/ track outs etc.. prior to runoff leaving the site, primarily during construction/ prior to the N.O.T. Don't confuse this type of stormwater recycling with SWPPP BMP’s and treatment.

I'm looking for a permanent solution. I would like to re-use the water a time of two before it leaves after the site is developed. Not just treat it and send it on its way.

 

[wfd175]

I have been dealing with the California programs from their humble beginnings, we have a new program that is on it way to full blown enforcement, MS4, in it's simplest explanation, you think the cost of housing is bad now! just wait until land developers and home builders are bound by these new rules.
I am a land developer, I have a project that hopefully will start 3rd quarter next year, 60 million c/y of grading, I just sat through a presentation from Rain for Rent, they are a nationwide company and are in the water recycling business in a big way, the only number I have at home right now is a local office 805-525-3306, I am sure if you contact them they will give you the help you need, otherwise I will get some other numbers from my office tomorrow. Steve

Since a number of our projects have been in WI, I'm familiar with MS4. WI, MN been trying to protect the wetlands for years. The writing is on the wall, some municipalities have gone well beyond 80% TSS, and diving directly into full filtration, not sand filters either, I'm seeing actual media filter systems being required in or "suggested" as BMP is some towns. Personally, I think that are greener options.

I did forget about Rain for Rent. I havn't talked with them for a number of years. Thanks.

 

[Mace]

Okay Joe.. The quality of your stormwater and the intended purposes of the flow has a huge impact on your potential ability to use it.

Is this from a drainage basin?
How large?
Industrial?
Are people camping in the area? (yes, it does matter)

There are a million possible contaminants that can adjust your filtration methods and our intended uses...
Hell, build a fake wetland (either surficial or not) and allow that to treat the potential contaminants..

My brother has a cistern on the top of his house In P.R. to collect rain water. Dam it works good for showers..

But, He has had problems with mosquitos laying eggs in the cistern.

Everything depends on what you intend to do with the water and what it comes from..

 

[vtcruiser60]

Santa Monica, CA has an intergovernmental org with a large stormwater recycling plant. The plant is located near the Santa Monica Pier.

On the regulation side, the city of South Burlington, Vermont is two years into funding a Stormwater Utility based on a new tax system. Vermonters love their catchment basins, sewage ponds, and other creative solutions to mitigating run-off into Lake Champlain. I heard that the stormwater utility was heavily involved in a State funded effort to reforest ag lands adjacent to streams and rivers, the idea being to reduce run-off at the source.