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So are there any TRD Superchargers left?
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I'm about to pull the trigger and pay too much for a used supercharger. The reality of Toyota actually caring what a handful of people driving old Land Cruisers want seems pretty far fetched. That being said that's s what I wan too. If we were all honest with ourselves, what do you think the possibility of Toyota actually doing this is? 0%?
FJ809496TLC
80 series addict
If they found out that there are a only handful who are interested, it will be 0% 
Just curious how many were made last time?
Just curious how many were made last time?
Dood.....let him suffer a bit!
I'd bet if they discovered that every single running 1FZ in the US is ready to plop down $3.5k, they're interest would pique at the same percentage.
Y'all, parts for our aging 80s are dwindling and they're not going to continue to support.
Why would they consider this viable?
These SCs are now a commodity and I think the market will determine valuation.
So, $10k for NIB and will throw in a NIB shortblock for an additional $2.5k, shipped in CONUS.
I know someone already contact Magnuson Superchargers, and I hope they pull through & convince Toyota to do another run. Having said that, cash is king. I can tell you that in the Supra community, there are a ton of "discontinued" parts that we're able to get another production run for, through well-respected vendors, who take deposits up-front. It has happened NUMEROUS times. The biggest question is, do we have enough ppl willing to put their $$ where their mouth is, UP FRONT? Cuz it's one thing to "generate interest," and a *completely* different thing to say "I'm sitting on $20K in orders, in my account, waiting to pay once available."I would think a group buy between 70 to 100 might convince TRD to produce more.
Aside from what scottryana mentioned (the higher price), I think it's a VERY nice kit. And I've been on the fence for a while, for the specific reason that the TRD unit is discontinued. If another run doesn't happen, and I can't get my hands on a NIB unit, I'll be going with the Sprintex unit.
Re: the XEDE ECU, they're pretty popular/well known in the Miata community. So finding someone who's familiar w/ the ECU isn't an issue. But on the REAL, coming from someone in the sports car community, a GOOD tuner can tune using ANY ECU. Its just a matter of how much more/less cumbersome it is, but tuning is tuning. Period.
Also, I'd be cautious how much power you throw at the 80; I'm sure the auto trans isn't rated for a ton more torque. You'll likely run into torque-induced damage REAL quickly if you add too much power over stock... Sprintex w/ IC and tuning (no additional injectors) sounds like a really good compromise IMO. There's a full thread about the Sprintex S/C here: https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/sprintex-supercharger.451246/
BoxYourEars, so are you running the Bullet Racing headers on a stock US block?! Cuz my exhaust is KAPUT (https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/rhd-vs-lhd-exhaust-fitment.815830/) and I wanted to get a high quality full exhaust (headers to catback) but was concerned re: RHD vs LHD fitment. And was specifically looking at this: http://www.bulletcars.com/parts/engine-parts/bullet-ultimate-exhaust.html
Aside from accounting for the EGR (which I'm not sweating; I'll prob go with EGR blockoff plates and ditch the emissions equipment anyway), any fitment issues? Cuz you may have the answer I've been lookin *everywhere* for!
Yes, if 100 people pay up front, I'm sure they will crank up production again.
I don't think you will have trans issues until around 1,000Nm/tq
The few additional hp a turbo or sc will add isn't going to do anything to the trans
the 1FZ and A442F might be slow but they are strong as hell
Yea, but do you really think we're gonna even get 20 ppl to buy up-front? Unfortunately, I think not. I think 10 would be a more realistic goal.
You may be right; I'm not so familiar w/ how strong it is etc. I just know that generally speaking, when you force induce a naturally aspirated motor, the first thing to typically go is the auto trans from the sig increased torque.
Personally, I'd love to get the maximal benefits from the Sprintex w/ XEDE, exhaust, and 2 additional injectors, but I'm concerned on that impacting reliability significantly...
danadog
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Will toyota do this? I am not hopeful. I do think that Magnus can convince Toyota to turn over licence to allow Magnus to rebrand the supercharger as a Magnus Kit? I do. The R&D is complete and the tooling exists, so logically this will be the most economically viable solution, if there is enough interest.
My understanding is that some of the tooling is shot and would need to be replaced. That is a major expense.
nope, and doubt 10 will put money up front either.
I don't know why more people aren't going turbo now. It's going to give more power and there is enough knowledge to carry it through.
It's the only option anyway.
Unsubstantiated rumor has it tooling and molds are slated for destruction at the end of the first quarter '15, thereby marking the end of production.
Mebbe after that, files will be made available to China and knockoff production can begin, since the 80 has been rebirthed there, already.
I'll admit, on that Sprintex thread, when scottryana mentioned the EMS Turbo Kit, I was VERY interested. But I've heard and had my concerns with the quality of their stuff (just being honest), and a lot of what I've read on the forum supports this. So I've steered clear. Don't want to deal w/ problems downstream.
Aside from that, I don't know of a relatively simple, bolt-on complete kit for a modest increase in power (not huge HP numbers; just something to bring it into the 21st century lol). I'm all ears if you have any suggestions - provided it's RELIABLE. The nice thing about supercharger setups is they're typically fairly simple and reliable. Turbochargers are typically a LOT more involved, not just in labor, but in supporting parts (modifying ECU, fuel system, etc), which results in a significant decrease in reliability (as compared to stock, or a stock-ish supercharger setup).
No one is gonna hand over multi-thousand dollar tooling for free to a competing company. I dunno if any company would be willing to put up a substantial offer to buy them, either. It's a slim market.
Having said that, I'm curious if Venezuela has any? They continued production of the 80-series LC up until 2008!
NLXTACY
Wits' End
Simple, it's not a complete bolt on solution and a turbo understanding isn't as cut and dry as a Supercharger IMO. Since I dont 100% understand the mechanics of the entire system I didn't want to go thru the pain of figuring it all out while spending huge amounts of money. If there was a near bolt on solution for close to the price of SC I would have done it. But sourcing a manifold or trying to customize tanks is just a world of suck. My entire SC was installed in less than 5 hours. It feels like less of a commitment than turbo does. I could be wrong about a lot but I think my feelings echo many of those who are now trying to source an SC.
You're absolutely right. Again, being from the JDM sports car world, where aftermarket turbos are everywhere, it's a HUGE can of worms, unless it's a COMPLETE bolt-on kit, from start to finish, with ALL parts included. And even then, you're talking about making sure you have a properly sized turbo, appropriate fuel supply (injectors, rail, lines, regulator, pump, etc), as well as a tune. So it's everything in a supercharger kit plus a lot more parts/variables to boot.
So although I understand turbos, NLXTACY, I'm with you; there are no good alternatives that I'm aware of.
NLXTACY
Wits' End
Folks like @scottryana @ck2racing @guzzla and others help to demystify some of it but each goes thru the pains, time and money to figure out what works for their application. Not what works as a typical install. Plus @scottryana didnt do most of the labor and fabrication.
SC is not without its issues. I can attest to that. But there arent many known unknowns.
SC is not without its issues. I can attest to that. But there arent many known unknowns.
SCs were a NA market item, only.
SC's are gone. I don't see much interest either. Used ones are fairly priced and they sit. New sat around forever. For a easy bolt on power boost, they move pretty slow. I got mine years ago and thought I just got one of the last ones
Turbo is the only real option. Didn't Slee offer a turnkey turbo?
Turbo is more expensive but it's also more than two to three times more power or more so if you're looking at hp/$ it is prob a better deal
Turbo is the only real option. Didn't Slee offer a turnkey turbo?
Turbo is more expensive but it's also more than two to three times more power or more so if you're looking at hp/$ it is prob a better deal
NLXTACY
Wits' End
The Safari Turbo was the only off the shelf option but it was $8k out the door plus who knows how much labor to install. As far as I can tell those aren't around anymore. Although I haven't looked very hard.
There are other SC options but none of us have been willing to be the guinea pig.
There are other SC options but none of us have been willing to be the guinea pig.
No I didn't do the welding (why would I when Marc is arguably the best TIG welder I have ever seen?) but I assure you every piece and part aside from the J-pipe was 100% my original idea. EMS NEVER had a system ready. The only piece they ever built twice was the J-pipe. They only did 2 80 series turbos. Mine and Brett's and look at the pictures you will see nothing is the same. Show me one other A/W intercooler tank that is being used for intercooling, windshield washers, and water/meth injection or one other 80 running a BW EFR. I completely drove the turbo Research and Development, at EMS and subsequently JMS with my ideas and checkbook. I profited in no way from it but now all the data is out there. Yes you could build a turbo system that makes the same power as the SC for a similar price, many have PM'd me and I have sent them a pricelist. The added expense that everyone sees with a turbo goes way above and beyond a TRD SC'r in terms of power. If I only wanted a few extra hp, I wouldn't need, engine management, injectors, fuel pump, intercooler, water/meth, etc. But I told myself at the beginning at least 400hp and the end product was around 440hp and 680ft/lbs of torque. Yes it came at considerable additional expense but you can't compare the two. A turbo system at the same power levels as a SC could be done for $5k. End of story.
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