ICON vs. OME (1 Viewer)

[JBHorne]

Many of us are running OME suspension which claims 2" front and .75" rear lift. ICON claims that 3" is possible with theirs.

Anyone actually running the ICON and have an opinion on it? I'd like to find someone running this setup with similar build (front bumper, rear bumper, sliders) and measure from the center of the wheel to the lower lip of their fender.

I believe IPOR has installed each and was wondering what their opinion is?

 

[sbly]

JB,

I am running the ICON setup and have been very happy with it. We have taken the truck to an overland driving course, loaded it down for weekend camping and done some light off-roading with no problems.

I will get you the measurements as soon as I can.

sbly

 

[dtt255]

I would be interested in the results also.

 

[Skrewball]

the OME kit will probably outlast the Icon kit, but not by much.

the Icon stuff is very nice.

I don't know how the coils in the icon stuff will hold up(10 years or more) the OME stuff usually lasts a very long time.

The ride is similar between both kits.

Ask the question in about 10 years, hell even 5 years, then we will know for sure!

 

[JBHorne]

the OME kit will probably outlast the Icon kit, but not by much.

the Icon stuff is very nice.

I don't know how the coils in the icon stuff will hold up(10 years or more) the OME stuff usually lasts a very long time.

The ride is similar between both kits.

Ask the question in about 10 years, hell even 5 years, then we will know for sure!

I agree that longevity is a major component, but what I'd really like to know is which LC sits taller.

Out here in the rocks, lift means a lot. I'd love to eventually find a way to clear 35's.

What's arctic trucks using?

Also, Skrewball, what are your opinions on the Chaos UCAs and ICON rear LCAs? I didn't install them because I was trying to stay away from zerks = maintenance.

Do the UCAs add any additional lift or flex to the IFS?

 

[dtt255]

I agree that longevity is a major component, but what I'd really like to know is which LC sits taller.

Out here in the rocks, lift means a lot. I'd love to eventually find a way to clear 35's.

What's arctic trucks using?

Also, Skrewball, what are your opinions on the Chaos UCAs and ICON rear LCAs? I didn't install them because I was trying to stay away from zerks = maintenance.

Do the UCAs add any additional lift or flex to the IFS?

I remember reading somewhere that the Chaos UCA help with the camber settings.

Cannot remember if it was a post or not.

I have the LCA installed and love how beefy they look PLUS (just going by looks) there is NO WAY that the Toyota LCA can stand up better then those. The nice thing about the ICON LCA is that they have a replaceable teflon pad underneath so that as you wear then down, you can order new ones and replace them. I love that.

By the way, the zerks on both the LCA and the UCA are very easy to get to.....takes all of 15 min...but we know you don't like to get dirty JB....

 

[Skrewball]

the Total Chaos UCA'a only add 2 or 3 deg. of caster. they don't change the camber. the tire clearance is a problem with the bigger tires(alot like the stock UCA)

the Icon UCA's come pre set, and i don't know what they add, but if you so desire you can adjust the caster or the camber on the UCA. the tire clearance is better with the Icon UCA.

what i have noticed with that cool teflon/UHMW piece on the bottom of the LCA's, is that when used they tend to shift/stretch and then bow away from the LCA. they are definitely stronger than the stock LCA's.

figuring out some sort of diff drop solution would be the deciding factor for bigger lift. all of the coil over lifts available will take you up past 3", but the axles won't work for long.

if you are serious about the rocks, just SAS it. You guys wouldn't mind cutting up a 65k+ truck, right? Not to mention the 15k to do it right.

 

[JBHorne]

The problem that I foresee with beefing up the rear LCAs is that they are designed to be the weakest link. If they bend, it was for a reason: to protect another component. If they do not give, something else more expensive and harder to get to is more likely to get damaged due to stress.

I am going to have a friend take DOM and create a sleeve for my LCAs. He builds certified roll cages, so I think this will be an easy task for him.

The problem with any "replaceable" part is good luck getting things to line up after it takes a few good whacks. I had a hell of a time when installing the front bumper and removing the front skid plate. It's been put under a LOT of stress and has a huge 8"+ dent on the front. Those bolts were impossible to back out, and even when I finally was able to get them out, I could not get them back in. It took 2 hydraulic jacks just to push the skid plate back up straight enough that the bolt holes lined up.

 

[JBHorne]

all of the coil over lifts available will take you up past 3", but the axles won't work for long.

Are you saying that the OME kit does lift you over 3" even though it is rated at only 2"? Or are you saying that it could?

 

[Mtnbike]

I am curious about this comparison as well, since my 200 will be going in the shop soon and would love to have something close to 35"s and a solid 3" lift. But I would prefer to have the best quality and not sacrifice internal damage to the LC 200 because of over due stress of too much lift. Has anyone tried Toyo open country A/T and did you like them. I do 90% hwy and 10% snow and rocks.

 

[Mtnbike]

JB,

I am running the ICON setup and have been very happy with it. We have taken the truck to an overland driving course, loaded it down for weekend camping and done some light off-roading with no problems.

I will get you the measurements as soon as I can.

sbly

Hey sbly,

I saw photos of your rig throughout and I have to say, it will make most folks on here jealous including myself. I can't wait to get mine to that level. How are you liking the ARB tent setup? Is there anything you would have done differently? Hows the tires on the highway and are they holding there tread? Would you mind giving me a ballpark figure on your whole setup minus the tent. Much thanks and appreciate any answers your willing to share.

 

[Mtnbike]

Does anyone know of a good installer in the Bay area part of California. There is a shop called Mudraks custom cruisers in Sonoma, Ca. Anyone heard of them. I asked him about ICON Suspension systems and Rasta skid plates and he had no idea who they were. Is this a bad sign or typical of someone that only uses ARB products which he is certified in. I don't know if I can wait a year and half to move back to Colorado and have Sleeoffroad do the work.

 

[Skrewball]

Are you saying that the OME kit does lift you over 3" even though it is rated at only 2"? Or are you saying that it could?

The OME lift does not lift you over 3".

I mean't "coil over" to describe the other options(Icon, Rad flo, toytec, etc....)

I usually refer to the OME kit as a "strut". Since it is the same design as factory.

I don't care to argue the technical differences between the two.(some other info pushed that knowledge out of my brain!)

 

[JBHorne]

The OME lift does not lift you over 3".

I mean't "coil over" to describe the other options(Icon, Rad flo, toytec, etc....)

I usually refer to the OME kit as a "strut". Since it is the same design as factory.

I don't care to argue the technical differences between the two.(some other info pushed that knowledge out of my brain!)

...so the ICON is an inch taller than the OME?

 

[Skrewball]

you can adjust the icon coilover to go over 3", not by much though....

 

[Mtnbike]

Have we come to the conclusion on which is better? I noticed total chaos website has Chimyz suv on there. This is what I found. Read below...

TOTAL CHAOS Fabrication has expanded its upper control arm product line for the Toyota market to now include 2008+ Land Cruiser models. These stock length 4130 chromoly upper control arms replace factory arms and incorporate a 1” uniball for added travel. Zerk fittings are included on all 4 pivots to lubricate the urethane bushings. These arms have added caster and are intended to regain factory recommended alignment specifications when aftermarket lifts have been installed. These upper arms were designed to be installed with the new ICON bolt in 2.5” coil over shock that adds up to 3” of lift and allows the installation of up to a 33” tire. Increase handling and durability with TC’s UCA package. This system comes complete with upper control arms, urethane bushings, inner sleeves, grade 8 hardware, zerk fittings, hi misalignment spacers, powder coat with an added clear coat.

 

[chimyz]

For Christmas, my LC is getting Icons.

 

[bjowett]

An interesting aside, the Tundra and 200 front shocks share the same mounts along with extended and compressed lengths. You might be able use the Fox shocks with reservoirs if you want to get into more trick stuff. Might need a revalve and lighter spring?

Koni also makes 2 different shocks for the 200.... I am looking at getting a set to try on the Tundra, anyone want to try em' on the 200?

 

[Mtnbike]

I just talked to Cam at Iron Pig and I am absolutely sold on the ICON suspension system with Total Chaos upper control arms and Icon lower control arms and doing rear OME springs. It does cost like three times more than OME but after doing much research it seems by far a higher quality system.

 

[JBHorne]

I just talked to Cam at Iron Pig and I am absolutely sold on the ICON suspension system with Total Chaos upper control arms and Icon lower control arms and doing rear OME springs. It does cost like three times more than OME but after doing much research it seems by far a higher quality system.

Yeah, if you like to deal with zirks...