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I've been doing some basic research to trace the 100s lineage in terms of design and functional cues. I've determined it started with the FJ55 since it shares 4-doors, the vent(?) on the front fenders (on rear pillar now), rear tailgate/hatch and interior refinements for family use...

I guess it can be argued it started with the FJ45 or some variant... but after looking at the various models, I believe it's the FJ55.

Other opinions welcomed...
 
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Ok here is my $0.02 ... first there is an excellent website (Flash and all) done by Toyota Motor descriping the Land Cruiser lineage:

http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/minisite/landcruiser/?s_van=

Then I think that the 45 and 55 are somewhat twins with the 55 being the four door wagon and the 45 the orginal two door. In the 1980's things changed Toyota droped the 45 and went to the all new 60 series LC .. and this is important introduced a line of "mini-trucks) (ie smaller then there other truck, the LC). The mini- truck spawn a whole new line of trucks ie the 4Runners and the Tacomas etc... The LC then did a big change to the 80 series. The SUV craz was on Toyota built a luxo-ute that was as off-roadable and rugged as the 60 series. The 70 series I belive was a response to the orignal need for a FJ45 like replacement in the third world. So you can look at the 70 series as the 45 to 80 (if you follow the logic of that).

Then comes confusion because Toyota started mixing things up in the 1990's with the intro the 90 series Prado. Well the 90's is really a non-US mini truck ie Tacoma/4Runner with a different cab style for the SUV. In the US the 90 series was badge teh 4Runner and Tacoma and in the rest of the world it was called the Land Cruiser Prado, or in England just Land Cruiser and the 80 series "real" Land Cruiser was the Land Cruiser Amazon. Toyota relized teh name plate Land Cruiser sells trucks everywhere but here in the US. In the US the Land Cruiser was always stuck between the full size Chevy/Ford products and the smaller min-trucks. But in the rest of the world the Land Cruiser was king.

Ok then came the 100 its bascially a EVEN nicer 80's (all be it with IFS, but it has V8). What keeps this a real Land Cruiser is that Toyota built an all new platform just for the 100 and does not share it with any other name plate in the world (ok there is the LX470 in the US ... but that is just marketing as is the entire Lexus name) The 100 carries the lineage from the 80 from 60 from the 55 all top of the line Toyota SUV wagons based on orginal platforms. The 70 series is closer to the 45 in spirit.... that's my opnion only.

Ahhhh what about the Sequoia/Tundra. Well that was Toyota response to the 1990's SUV craz. The 80 was getting out dated and was consider too small compared to the Chevy/Ford products. So using the T100 (Toyota's first attempt at US large truck) platform as a base ... ti developed a US only market SUV/Truck. Yes that's how big the US car market is that manufactures will concieve of vehicles only for US sales. The Sequoia/Tundra ditched some of the off-road durabilty that was in the 80 series for comfort and styled the interior more after the US trucks. It basically was developed to be a Chevy with Toyota quality. There is nothing wrong with these trucks... its just that they are not in anyway tied to the Land Cruiser lineage and the frames gemotryies , suspensions and drivetrains were not design to be as usefull for off-road or as some would say "WORLD-usable" as the Land Cruisers or even for that matter the 90/Prado/Tacoma/4Runner series, since the latter were world products.

And finally the 120 series which has nothing as much to do with the Land Cruiser wagons (ie 100/80/60/55) as much as its a new version of the 90 series Prado. Add to that 120 the GX470, it actually barrows the WORLD version of the body style for the 120 series vs the US 4Runner which runs on the same plarform but with different body style (I don't like it as much). Also note the new FJ Cruiser is not really of Cruiser lineage. Its based on the 120 series platform and not an orginal platform, nor a derivative of the 100 or 70 series Land Cruisers.

What does the future hold. That is the big question. Will Toyota fund a NEW platform after the 100 series that is EXCLUSIVE to the Land Cruiser wagon. Don't know? Its cost like 1-2Billion to develop a NEW truck platform. Most every other platform is bulit to accomidate different variations and many name plates. The mosl likely thing is a merger between the new 2007 US base Sequoia/Tundra platform with the Land Cruiser name plate ...yuck... a sad end would be the name Land Cruiser just stuck on another truck with leather seats, 22in wheels, and a giga watt stereo system. Or will Toyota continue its tradition of offering its top-of-the-line truck platform to the Land Cruiser name exclusively... I hope so, even if that new truck never makes it to the US shores.

This is why I think the 100 maybe the last real "Land Cruiser".

Ok... off my soap box... go ahead and dig in to my opnions
 
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you guys have too much time on your hands... :)

nothing needing fixin' or improvin' on the ole truck? :D
 
My 100 yet to need much fixin' ...
 
rzpapp said:
The 100 carries the lineage from the 80 from 60 from the 55 all top of the line Toyota SUV wagons based on orginal platforms. The 70 series is closer to the 45 in spirit.... that's my opnion only.

Ok... off my soap box... go ahead and dig in to my opnions

Good info...

In short, aside from the global variants... I guess we're in agreement the LC100 origins are from the FJ55 due to ongoing opportunities in the U.S. market. I see the FJ45 more like a converted bus platform originally designed for military purposes... requiring major upgrades and redesign for civilian use?

At least this is what I've determined from various Web sites stating the history of these particular wagons.

Edit: Here's a Web site I found with an excellent recap of Land Cruiser history.
Land Cruiser Timeline
 
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e9999 said:
you guys have too much time on your hands... :)

nothing needing fixin' or improvin' on the ole truck? :D

I'm bored and mine is too new to fix... I guess I could go mow the lawn. :D
 
Excerpts from article in Automotive Industries, Feb. 1998, by Lindsay Brook


Design/Engineering: Chassis

Design of UZJ100, as the '98 Cruiser program is coded, was frozen in mid-1994, says veteran chief engineer Takeo Kondo. At that point, the previous FJ80 model was three years old. And as on every previous Cruiser, UZJ100 has body-on-frame construction.
"There was never any consideration of unibody design," Kondo tells AI. "Long-term durability has always been the number one goal of the Land Cruiser program," he explains, "and we expect these vehicles to be on the road for at least 25 years." Range Rover was the program's primary benchmark, particularly for suspension articulation, chassis stiffness and interior appointments.

Kondo's team completely re-engineered the FJ80's ladder frame, adding three extra crossmembers (now nine) and beefing up the side rail structure. Each crossmember is set into the rails using new bracketry, which Toyota calls a flared-flange-type joint (see Illustration). Frame rail wall thickness has been increased to 3.2mm, and the boxed rails include internal stiffening plates welded within their front 48 inches. Kondo claims this helps maintain frame integrity during a frontal impact, keeping the front end from "folding up" into the passenger compartment.

Kondo says none of the Cruiser's frame components is hydroformed nor does any Toyota program currently use this increasingly popular method of metalforming (see June '97 AI, p. 57 and Dec. '97, p. 40). The new frame surpassed the benchmark Range Rover frame in bending and torsional rigidity, claims Kondo (he did not reveal actual frequencies), while boosting overall rigidity by 5096 versus the old FJ80's frame. The stiffer frame allows more compliant suspension bushings and body mounts, helping to improve the new Cruiser's ride comfort. Two types of body mounts are used: compression and lateral-restriction.

The '98 Cruiser switches to an independent front suspension (IFS), based on upper and lower control arms and longitudinal torsion bars. The latter mount to a frame crossmember via a floating member designed to control fore/aft stability of the EFS and limit road-induced NVH. For the vehicle to match its go-anywhere image, all critical running gear, including suspension lower control arms, mounts high. The rack-and-pinion steering gear mounts above the front crossmember, which also protects the engine oil pan and radiator. Both torsion bars are protected by a large skid plate. Minimum ground clearance is nearly 10 inches, and the Cruiser's suspension stroke is among the industry's longest: 200mm front, 240mm rear.

The new Cruiser's Aisin-supplied ABS operates even in 4-wheel low while the center diff is locked. The system is able to "read" road conditions and vehicle dynamics, decreasing the amount of anti-lock applied according to suspension travel, road gradient and abrupt changes in vehicle speed. Foundation brakes feature 4-piston calipers and 12.2-inch ventilated rotors in front, and huge 12.9-inch rear rotors.

Design/Engineering: Body

Also improving the overall structure, and the body's dimensional accuracy, are new one-piece bodysides, claimed by Toyota to be the largest on any light vehicle. The large panels replace the FJ80's two-piece welded bodysides. High-strength steel reinforces all pillars and door sills. Door and rear liftgate jambs are wider for improved ingress/egress and cargo loading.

Dynamically, the UJZ100's structural changes have wrought a vehicle devoid of any body flex or squeaks when flung over the roughest terrain we could find at Borrego Springs, a California desert off-road park that's far more amenable to motocross bikes and extreme dune buggies than luxury SUVs. Driven back-to-back versus a '97 FJ80 over washboard dirt roads, the '98 Cruiser's NVH attenuation is noticeably better. Toyota has added more melt-on asphalt sheeting to the floorpan, and has increased the amount of sound-deading urethane foam and pads injected into pillars and roof rails. On the highway, wind noise is lower due to faster (by three degrees) A-pillars, and new flush-mount windshield and rear quarter window glass.

The extra stiffness and refined manners come at a price, however--mass. The new, all-steel-bodied Cruiser weighs nearly 500 pounds more than its predecessor, mostly due to the chassis and body upgrades. Kondo says there was no plan to offset the added mass with lighter weight components, such as aluminum body panels. At nearly 6,500 pounds GVWR, the Cruiser is actually a medium-duty vehicle.

Powertrain: New V-8

Land Cruiser finally gets a V-8 (a first for any Toyota-badged vehicle), but the new 4.7L engine does not contribute to the new model's extra heft. Even with its cast-iron cylinder block, the dohc, 32-valve V-8 weighs 66 pounds less than the FJ80s 4.5L inline six.
Program boss Kondo admits he wasn't initially sold on the V-8. "We evaluated the (Lexus) aluminum-block car V-8 early on, but it did not have enough low- and midrange torque for our vehicle," he recalls.
So he chose displacement. The UJZ100 design spec required an iron block, with extensive ribbing for bulletproof durability. Manufacturing efficiency called for the Cruiser's block to be machined on the same Tahara plant line as the 4.0L Lexus car V-8. Thus both blocks share common bore centers, but the Cruiser's has the maximum displacement permitted by the Tahara line. The 94mm bore is 6.4mm larger and stroke, at 83.5mm, is 1mm longer than on the car V-8. Besides its iron block and more displacement, Toyota's new "truck V-8" also differs from its car cousins in combustion chamber shape (though valve angles are the same as the 4.0L), cam profiles, and intake manifold geometry. It has a stouter crankshaft, and the con rod big-end bearing shells are aluminum. Package efficiency was also critical; the V8's designers placed the water pump and starter motor inside the block's "vee" to save space.

Powerful 32-bit engine control and effective catalysis, plus Denso top-feed injectors and coil-on-plug ignition, help certify the new Cruiser as a Low Emission Vehicle (LEV) in California. Claimed output is 230 hp at 4,800 rpm, and 320 lb-ft of torque at 3,400. That's a boost of 18 hp and 45 lb-ft over the old inline 6. At presstime, city/highway fuel economy was estimated at 14/16 mpg, more frugal than with the six This basic V-8 will also power the '99 T100 pickup, although rumors persist that the T100 engine will have sohc cylinder heads.

As fits a true 4A, the '98 Cruiser retains a 2-speed Aisin transfer case (and 2.48:1 low range). U.S. market models only offer a 4-speed electronic automatic transmission, sourced by Aisin A-W, While the center and rear differentials are still (optional) "lockers," the Cruiser's new IFS with torsion bars forced the elimination of the FJ80's locking front diff.

Interior:

A slightly wider and longer cabin features a subtly refined IP, and an increased array of storage areas overhead, in consoles and cubbies, and in the door panels. Rear seat legroom is up by nearly three inches, and front seats have almost two extra inches of fore/aft slide. There is also an engine immobilizer, a trio of 12-volt power outlets, and power swing-out rear windows.

Manufacturing:

Land Cruisers are made the old-fashioned way. Chassis are fully assembled at Toyota's Honsha plant in Toyota City, then trucked across town to Araco, a Toyota kieretsu affiliate. Araco, which produces the company's Coaster minibus, stamps the massive one-piece bodysides on the largest press in Toyota's inventory. It also builds the Cruiser's body and assembles the vehicle.
 
Nice information, Calamari. Anybody else have more design material like this?
 
"the Cruiser's new IFS with torsion bars forced the elimination of the FJ80's locking front diff."

Why is this the case....really?
 
Maybe the e-locker motor complicated things. ARB doesn't have this issue to deal with.
 
ShottsUZJ100 said:
"the Cruiser's new IFS with torsion bars forced the elimination of the FJ80's locking front diff."

Why is this the case....really?


They probably didn't want to deal with potential warranty issues.
 
Manufacturing:

Land Cruisers are made the old-fashioned way. Chassis are fully assembled at Toyota's Honsha plant in Toyota City, then trucked across town to Araco, a Toyota kieretsu affiliate. Araco, which produces the company's Coaster minibus, stamps the massive one-piece bodysides on the largest press in Toyota's inventory. It also builds the Cruiser's body and assembles the vehicle.

Toyota recently updated the source of manufacture table on their Web site...

Toyota Motor Corporation

This is old news... Araco is now Toyota Auto Body Company, Ltd., with Toyota controlling 57% share. It appears they are moving the LC assembly line to the Tahara plant where they make the Prado, RAV4, Hilux, and a few others...

I believe the move may be due to the Prius being assembled in the same Araco plant... possibly requiring a reshuffle to scale-up production due to their growth forecast. With exception to the sheetmetal components, this places the LC (major cash cow) in the same location with the other SUV lines... probably a LEAN Manufacturing excercise to prevent building another plant for the Prius.

My perception: I don't think Toyota would spend the money to relocate the 100 series assembly line if they were planning on harvesting the platform anytime soon.

Edit: unless this is the same place they build the LX450... :eek:
 
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its the 45LV(there was a 35V however) this were made by Gifu body, not Araco
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toyota even used the 45LV in the 80's literature as well as this 2000 100 series broucure
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and of course a 100 :D
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a990dna said:
Toyota recently updated the source of manufacture table on their Web site...

Toyota Motor Corporation

This is old news... Araco is now Toyota Auto Body Company, Ltd., with Toyota controlling 57% share. It appears they are moving the LC assembly line to the Tahara plant where they make the Prado, RAV4, Hilux, and a few others...

I believe the move may be due to the Prius being assembled in the same Araco plant... possibly requiring a reshuffle to scale-up production due to their growth forecast. With exception to the sheetmetal components, this places the LC (major cash cow) in the same location with the other SUV lines... probably a LEAN Manufacturing excercise to prevent building another plant for the Prius.

My perception: I don't think Toyota would spend the money to relocate the 100 series assembly line if they were planning on harvesting the platform anytime soon.

Edit: unless this is the same place they build the LX450... :eek:

I bet they don't change the frame on the new LC/LX just change the sheet metal and put a 5.6 V8 in it to boost the HP/TQ and redesign the interior. If they go completely clean sheet, then its will share the Sequoia/Tundra frame and it will just be a super nice Sequoia. JMHO
 
SWUtah said:
I bet they don't change the frame on the new LC/LX just change the sheet metal and put a 5.6 V8 in it to boost the HP/TQ and redesign the interior. If they go completely clean sheet, then its will share the Sequoia/Tundra frame and it will just be a super nice Sequoia. JMHO

Since the LX will be IFS/IRS I'll bet they change the platform. :confused:
 
ShottsUZJ100 said:
Since the LX will be IFS/IRS I'll bet they change the platform. :confused:

What are worldwide annual sales of the LC/LX? Wonder if it can justify the cost of a whole new platform? I just see so much platform sharing taking place in the auto industry that it seems like a long shot that Toyota would spent the $$ like they did for the 100 series in the current enviroment.
 
Something to consider.... although IFS/IRS is the thing-to-do these days, there seems to be a strong resistance to recent trends. For example: Look what happened to GM when they decided to go FWD on all their passenger car platforms ... huge backlash from the customer base.

Another good example is the retro redesign of the Ford Mustang. Ford almost went IRS with the Mustang GT and decided to scrap the idea because they knew their core customers (baby boomers) wouldn't buy it.... I think they decided to reserve IRS for the Cobra version only.

Now you see Chevrolet and Dodge scrambling to resurrect the Camaro and Challenger to chase the success of the new-old Mustang.... I guarantee you'll see them with a live rear axle.

This is history repeating itself again...

And it appears Toyota understands the value of maintaining the heritage of the Land Cruiser and possibly wouldn't risk bastardizing the platform with IRS to keep up with what ?... as it stands the competition with IRS is sitting on dealership lots with red tag giveaway sales. :confused:

I may be wrong, but I think Toyota is better at reading the tea leaves...
 
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a990dna said:
Something to consider.... although IFS/IRS is the thing-to-do these days, there seems to be a strong resistance to recent trends. For example: Look what happened to GM when they decided to go FWD on all their passenger car platforms ... huge backlash from the customer base.

Another good example is the retro redesign of the Ford Mustang. Ford almost went IRS with the Mustang GT and decided to scrap the idea because they knew their core customers (baby boomers) wouldn't buy it.... I think they decided to reserve IRS for the Cobra version only.

Now you see Chevrolet and Dodge scrambling to resurrect the Camaro and Challenger to chase the success of the new-old Mustang.... I guarantee you'll see them with a live rear axle.

This is history repeating itself again...

And it appears Toyota understands the value of maintaining the heritage of the Land Cruiser and possibly wouldn't risk bastardizing the platform with IRS to keep up with what ?... as it stands the competition with IRS is sitting on dealership lots with red tag giveaway sales. :confused:

I may be wrong, but I think Toyota is better at reading the tea leaves...

The Cruiser WILL have a live axle. The LX will be IRS. (Goin' for the cush I guess?)
 
I believe the two vehicles will be MUCH different in the next generation. I seriously doubt anyone will wheel the next generation Lexus.
 
a990dna said:
Something to consider.... although IFS/IRS is the thing-to-do these days, there seems to be a strong resistance to recent trends.

IRS was left out of the Mustang due to cost.
 

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