Turbo or supercharger ?

[Heckraiser]

Then even with the additional power, I’d want some type of “Brembo” type braking upgrade option. But then I may have a hard time running my fav steel wheels given additional clearance required.

My experience with a faster than stock 80 is that the brake upgrade really isn't any more necessary than in a stock rig. It's not a sports car where you're going to be storming into the corners at a higher speed, the 80's poor handling will keep you driving reasonable speeds where there is no need for additional braking. And you don't really need a BBK for cruising down the highway, JMO.

 

[COYS]

My experience with a faster than stock 80 is that the brake upgrade really isn't any more necessary than in a stock rig. It's not a sports car where you're going to be storming into the corners at a higher speed, the 80's poor handling will keep you driving reasonable speeds where there is no need for additional braking. And you don't really need a BBK for cruising down the highway, JMO.

Respectfully disagree. If anything, confidence behind the wheel is half the game. I don't feel confident about the 80's braking ability especially in sudden stops. Add more power and I will be going faster. I already drive like a granny, though. I'll most likely enjoy how others are enjoying their turbo'ed 80 from the sidelines. Heck, I'm still on the original hg! That first.

 

[Heckraiser]

After LSPV delete, my 80 brakes better than my wife's acura or my chevy DD

 

[8cam]

I'd call the brakes for something that weighs roughly double my Corvette, adequate. Even with the turbo, I won't be getting any serious speed up. It's just nice to merge on the highway and outrun that semi that refuses to move over. My brakes are definitely a little spongy, so a rebuild will be in order soon. Personally I would just make sure your factory brakes are in excellent order.

 

[scottryana]

You’ll never have “the same reliability and dependability as the factory NA setup”. It’s physically impossible.

Your tires won’t last as long under a 5000lb truck as they will a 3000lb truck

Your gas mileage won’t be as good with 500hp as it is with 300hp.

Your seats won’t last as long under a 250lb man as they will under a 150lb man.

Everything is give and take.

Btw you reduced your reliability and dependability when you put bigger tires than stock on....

I’ll consider the turbo kit once it’s had time to marinate. I want the same reliability and durability as the current factory NA setup. I don’t want to introduce additional heat in the engine bay without anecdotal proof (likely best we can hope for) that there is ample cooling given the additional energy it’s packing under hood. I didn’t buy the $6k new in box TRD whatever unit due to heat even for my mall crawler 80.

Then even with the additional power, I’d want some type of “Brembo” type braking upgrade option. But then I may have a hard time running my fav steel wheels given additional clearance required.

So for me it’s not a simple either or binary; rather, an interesting conundrum. That’s what makes all this a fun game!

 

[COYS]

You’ll never have “the same reliability and dependability as the factory NA setup”. It’s physically impossible.

Your tires won’t last as long under a 5000lb truck as they will a 3000lb truck

Your gas mileage won’t be as good with 500hp as it is with 300hp.

Your seats won’t last as long under a 250lb man as they will under a 150lb man.

Everything is give and take.

Btw you reduced your reliability and dependability when you put bigger tires than stock on....

Alcohol, guns and rock and roll may reduce your life expectancy, but also pay back in entertainment value.

Like I said, it’s a fun game.

P.S. Do you.

 

[8cam]

While I can't comment on the new turbo setup, or really even my own since I've only had the truck for a couple weeks, I will say that properly engineered, a turbo system can be very reliable. Mine has been turboed since new, and the turbo system was rebuilt at 160k miles with the problems being a cracked downpipe and a new hot side, among other maintenance items. If you ask me, 160k miles is pretty good reliability.

 

[Bludozer]

You’ll never have “the same reliability and dependability as the factory NA setup”. It’s physically impossible.

Your tires won’t last as long under a 5000lb truck as they will a 3000lb truck

Your gas mileage won’t be as good with 500hp as it is with 300hp.

Your seats won’t last as long under a 250lb man as they will under a 150lb man.

Everything is give and take.

Btw you reduced your reliability and dependability when you put bigger tires than stock on....

Any modification is arguably a reduction in reliability. It's a compromise, just like everything in life. That video of people drag-racing 1fz swapped 86's with 2000hp on the stock block was enough to convince me the 'reliability reduction' with 5-6psi of boost is well worth it.

 

[RFB]

With my 1994 and living in Cali...no turbo for me or that would be my direction. I'll continue to baby my 1fz-FE, but when it goes, a LS3 or LT1 is going in! Just need to figure out who's gonna swap it for me...I don't posses the skills

I have never done it either, but when the times comes I will do the swap solo, I have no choice really, only know 2 actual yota guy within 7oo miles and they are usually too busy.

 

[Cass007]

I find my mind wandering to what boost the 1FZ-FE is capable of handling with ARP head and possibly main studs. 80 Series were made during the same mythical Supra years where Toyota decided to make engineering statements over profitability. Having done a highly modded tuner car (600+whp 350Z with built VQ35DE and twin turbos on meth injection) and then having swapped to an LS2. The LS is the more simple option, but a standalone CPU (ViPec, Haltech) that piggybacks on the stock Toyota system and the right tune and our trucks could be monsters with AWD. The stock 2JZ engine is factory capable of handling a staggering amount of horsepower before it becomes a grenade. The simple design and iron block of the 1FZ-FE makes me think it could handle 20+ lbs of boost with the right tune and a solid intercooler and exhaust piping.

I'm with @Heckraiser on the brakes. Adjust the LSPV correctly and put on some EBC Green pads and it stops just fine.

 

[scottryana]

Yeah it could probably handle 20psi of boost with ARP head and main studs, since I have been doing 20psi with stock head and main bolts. Well my boost cut is actually 19psi but I am sure I could add just one more pound. lol

I find my mind wandering to what boost the 1FZ-FE is capable of handling with ARP head and possibly main studs. 80 Series were made during the same mythical Supra years where Toyota decided to make engineering statements over profitability. Having done a highly modded tuner car (600+whp 350Z with built VQ35DE and twin turbos on meth injection) and then having swapped to an LS2. The LS is the more simple option, but a standalone CPU (ViPec, Haltech) that piggybacks on the stock Toyota system and the right tune and our trucks could be monsters with AWD. The stock 2JZ engine is factory capable of handling a staggering amount of horsepower before it becomes a grenade. The simple design and iron block of the 1FZ-FE makes me think it could handle 20+ lbs of boost with the right tune and a solid intercooler and exhaust piping.

I'm with @Heckraiser on the brakes. Adjust the LSPV correctly and put on some EBC Green pads and it stops just fine.

 

[cruiserdan]

19?

Wimp.....

 

[asuddendeath]

I spoke with Tom from Bullet Cars about an hour ago. You can get his super charger for $3900 american dollars delivered.

 

[Cass007]

@scottryana - Sorry I forgot you were running that already. Where do you think the stock limit is in terms of boost? Do we know, or have an educated guess where the fail point for high awhp is - head lift, transmission, birfs? I vaguely remember seeing a youtube video of a modified Cruiser in the middle east pushing over 1000hp? There weren't great details on it and it's not overly hard to make a dyno lie.

 

[Heckraiser]

I spoke with Tom from Bullet Cars about an hour ago. You can get his super charger for $3900 american dollars delivered.

Never even heard of that one. Intriguing

 

[scottryana]

Transmission is going to be the weak point as far as I can tell, but the A343F with some work does seem to hold pretty decent power. Head lift could be an issue I guess if you tune the boost to come on too low and there is huge cylinder pressure. On an all out effort like I would like to do with my other truck using ARP and MLS gaskets should let you run any amount of boost you would want in a SUV I would think.

@scottryana - Sorry I forgot you were running that already. Where do you think the stock limit is in terms of boost? Do we know, or have an educated guess where the fail point for high awhp is - head lift, transmission, birfs? I vaguely remember seeing a youtube video of a modified Cruiser in the middle east pushing over 1000hp? There weren't great details on it and it's not overly hard to make a dyno lie.

 

[asuddendeath]

Never even heard of that one. Intriguing

I am really thinking about it. They have this well engineered. And the price is better then anything TRD new if you can find it.

 

[TNOverlander]

I spoke with Tom from Bullet Cars about an hour ago. You can get his super charger for $3900 american dollars delivered.

Is that just the supercharger kit? No engine management or intercooler?

 

[Douglas S]

Is that just the supercharger kit? No engine management or intercooler?

AFAIK there is are no engine management upgrades required.

 

[asuddendeath]

Transmission is going to be the weak point as far as I can tell, but the A343F with some work does seem to hold pretty decent power. Head lift could be an issue I guess if you tune the boost to come on too low and there is huge cylinder pressure. On an all out effort like I would like to do with my other truck using ARP and MLS gaskets should let you run any amount of boost you would want in a SUV I would think.

I think with good maintenance the tranny should hold up. Not driving like an a****** all the time will help too. Not like this SC is going to be putting out monster power. A bit more then the TRD SC from my understanding.
I am getting the head done on my lx450 and putting in the supra studs replaced. Should hold everything together on 5PSI.

BTW when I bought my truck the tranny was smoked in it. Fluid blacker then hell and smelled no better. I think the cooler got plugged up do a lack of giving a crap (maintenance)

How much boost do you see a stock head and gasket set taking along with the A343F?

Is that just the supercharger kit? No engine management or intercooler?

You can get all kinds of stuff for it, how big is your piggy bank?

AFAIK there is are no engine management upgrades required.

They do have a piggy back or something for the ECU. If you want to tune it more you can but again more money.

I don't have all the details yet, I will talk with Tom from Bullet Cars some more soon.

If I do this, I am not going to try to make monster power. A LS1 would be better for that, however the price point and gain seem to
be a good idea.
A 50-80HP gain would be wonderful!