Why every 60 should have a v8
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Hardly. A turd would be the SOHC in the old Ford Focuses. The 2F, as underpowered as it is, is a pretty tough, reliable engine. Toyota did a good job of ruggedizing it for off road use and longevity. It's nice not having to worry about breaking a timing chain or sealing up your distributor for a water crossing.
While i would like the power of a V8, this doing 90 mph plus in a body on frame, straight axled, horse and buggy suspention, vehicle does not sound like a safe idea. This is why I have a Toyota powed Lexus V8 that does well over 100 safely. Cruisers were not designed for high speeds regardless of what power plant you have in them.
I ran into one of the State of Texas's "finest". He kindly told me I was traveling 24mph over the speed limit
. I never would have believed it but he was kind enough to show me the radar. He also mentioned my "monster tires" (his words) might be a contributing factor to my speeding. I run 35's. The only positive thing out of my run in with the trooper was that he gave me a written warning
. I didn't know that 35's could throw my speedo off by such a large margin. While I was being stopped, I looked at the speedo and it showed 60mph.
. I never would have believed it but he was kind enough to show me the radar. He also mentioned my "monster tires" (his words) might be a contributing factor to my speeding. I run 35's. The only positive thing out of my run in with the trooper was that he gave me a written warning. I didn't know that 35's could throw my speedo off by such a large margin. While I was being stopped, I looked at the speedo and it showed 60mph.
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T-bones 60 said:
It's all good I left the seat belts in
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My 40 has a 1F engine of undetermined miles. I told myself when it wears out, I was going to put in a V8. Well, I've owned the 40 for almost 10 years and the 1F is still going strong. On the trail, the 6 cylinder is better than any V8. The V8 can't lug a low as my 1F, nor can they use their tremendous power to drive any faster than me through the trail. These F motors were built for the third world and are tough as nails.
I learned from my 40 and it's 1F engine; when I bought my FJ-60, I bought the 60 with a blown motor! Now I had to put in a V8!!
I truly believe every 60 should have come with a V8! The 60 just comes alive with a V8. Have you ever tried to get on the freeway with a straight 6 Cruiser motor? You need to make an appointment with the on ramp! And that nonsense about the F engine being better on the trail ... I don't care. I just think about going up a mountain grade in top gear and never slowing down.
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My 40 has a 1F engine of undetermined miles. I told myself when it wears out, I was going to put in a V8. Well, I've owned the 40 for almost 10 years and the 1F is still going strong. On the trail, the 6 cylinder is better than any V8. The V8 can't lug a low as my 1F, nor can they use their tremendous power to drive any faster than me through the trail. These F motors were built for the third world and are tough as nails.
I learned from my 40 and it's 1F engine; when I bought my FJ-60, I bought the 60 with a blown motor! Now I had to put in a V8!!
I truly believe every 60 should have come with a V8! The 60 just comes alive with a V8. Have you ever tried to get on the freeway with a straight 6 Cruiser motor? You need to make an appointment with the on ramp! And that nonsense about the F engine being better on the trail ... I don't care. I just think about going up a mountain grade in top gear and never slowing down.
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Shoot, any cookie-cutter new car can do that. It takes a real man, in a real LandCruiser, to do 55 in a 75 zone...all day long
all the time.
it's really not that hard. that sign at the end of the ramp means merge not stop.
Pighead and brian you guys are awesome (and 100% correct)
I have a feeling this thread is about to be moved so I'm gonna ask again:
I have a feeling this thread is about to be moved so I'm gonna ask again:
all the time.
You have to remember, I come from Kalifornia ... They put red stop lights at the END of the on ramp!!
V8 isn't the only engine that can make a 60 drive dangerously fast. I think people would get better performance out of diesel engines like the qsb 4.5 or isf 3.9 than a v8. Even old motors like a 6bt or 4bt should be on par or better than a v8. But is speed really needed? Most v8's lack torque when compared to diesel and most 4x4 need more torque than speed. The 80's were bad years for cars due to all the newer epa regulations the hippies were making. Which is why diesel power was not an option in america. My v8 is from the 80's and it is just a bit better than 2f. I think any modern engine will have higher speeds than the 1/2f engines but I think the real winners are the modern 4cyl diesel engines. isf/qsb.
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brian said:all the time.
It is if you live In a town like Phoenix where every onramp to the freeway has a stoplight at the end of it
I'd just like to point out that for trail running, a V8 is going to be easier to kill with low RPMs, as well as being considerably louder, and use more gas than a 2F when you're crawling over rocks and washouts for hours on end.
Now, here's the question: do you really want to spend a bunch of money to make your 60 faster on pavement and better for towing, if it's going to be less practical on the trail?
For some (i.e. people whose wheeling mostly consists of mud, sand, or snow), that's actually a good tradeoff. For me, it definitely wouldn't be worthwhile. I don't have anything to tow, I don't like my rig to sound like a hotrod in the pristine wilderness, and I am constantly surprised by how often I need to crawl along at 500 rpms in 1st gear low range.
Now, if I was going to do a lot of dune-bashing, aggressive highway driving, and had a boat to tow around, I wouldn't spend the $6k+ to do a V8 conversion properly in my 60; I'd get a 100-series for $10k or so, and it'd be ready for all of that out of the box, with its V8 and beefy IFS. Of course, it would look like a minivan, but that's just personal preference.
Now, here's the question: do you really want to spend a bunch of money to make your 60 faster on pavement and better for towing, if it's going to be less practical on the trail?
For some (i.e. people whose wheeling mostly consists of mud, sand, or snow), that's actually a good tradeoff. For me, it definitely wouldn't be worthwhile. I don't have anything to tow, I don't like my rig to sound like a hotrod in the pristine wilderness, and I am constantly surprised by how often I need to crawl along at 500 rpms in 1st gear low range.
Now, if I was going to do a lot of dune-bashing, aggressive highway driving, and had a boat to tow around, I wouldn't spend the $6k+ to do a V8 conversion properly in my 60; I'd get a 100-series for $10k or so, and it'd be ready for all of that out of the box, with its V8 and beefy IFS. Of course, it would look like a minivan, but that's just personal preference.
saying that an i6 is going to out perform a v8 is ridiculous. cubic inches rule regardless of the number of cylinders or the placement of said cylinders.
the v8 swap made my cruiser 1000% better than it was when compared to the old 1FZ. I can't think of any situation where I would have rather had an I6. The V8 kicks the doodoo out of the I6 in every comparison, and it gets better mileage to boot.
the v8 swap made my cruiser 1000% better than it was when compared to the old 1FZ. I can't think of any situation where I would have rather had an I6. The V8 kicks the doodoo out of the I6 in every comparison, and it gets better mileage to boot.
I think people do v8 swaps because they have a vehicle they love, is classic, and is more capable than most other vehicles..... but they hate the sluggish, inefficient, spaghetti line mess called the 2f.
Just my opinion of course. Darn purists...
Nothing wrong with either motor guys. We all have Landcruisers and that's why we are here. To share our wealth of knowledge with a good community.
A little bit of maintenance goes a long way. We all have money-pits and are proud of it!
A little bit of maintenance goes a long way. We all have money-pits and are proud of it!
My v8 /4l60e uses considerably less fuel on the trail and crawls 10x better than the 2f and 4spd. Plus at 3k it was much cheaper than a h55 and crawl box. On to of all that the smog mess no longer fails and sends me home on a flatbed.
I love the classic 60 look but hated the drivetrane so the decision was simple.
I love the classic 60 look but hated the drivetrane so the decision was simple.