Why every 60 should have a v8
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Those "turnkey" prices seem pretty low. I have one of the last 5.7 L Vortecs that could be had at the time (desirable to mate with the H55F, so I understood) and it was, shall we say, somewhat more expensive than the others you list. When we added the H55F and all the other goodies, plus labor, I think we're solidly in the middle or high range of what you estimate for the qsb. It was California (TLC/?relatively expensive) labor but they did a nice, professional job. Had other, possibly more fuel efficient options been apparent to me, I would have considered them, although my main priority was getting something that would get me up the mountain(s) without inordinate pain and suffering.
I think those are from a guy who finds junkyard rigs, pulls the engines with the full harnesses, and cleans them, compression tests them, etc.
I could not agree more. I love cruising the backroads of Wyoming slow and easy, taking in the beautiful scenery with the sweet sound of that simple, inline 6.
I've always driven 4 bangers, so I'm spoiled with expecting 30 MPG. Since I like driving my 60 as much as possible, I do want the best mileage from it, because that means I get to drive it more. However, extended range is more the factor in my wanting an economical engine than saving money.
I spent $250 on a new carb, and got about a 30% improvement in MPGs. Does that count as chasing MPGs? The thing will have paid for itself by the end of the year.
If I wake up in the morning and there is a 6BT common rail Cummins on my lawn, guess what.... until then, I proudly wear the bowtie.
"only swaps that seem crazy"....
No-one said anything about making your engine more efficient is flawed. I don't see any sense in swapping to this or that engine for mpg as your sole reason for doing the swap.
Its a 4wd box....I wish my truck went farther on a gallon of gas too...
Great debate.
Im gonna have to jump to the v8 side of the fence here. Ive owned an 80 w a 4.5 six, taco w 3.4 6, couple 22 re equipped trucks, and driven a 60 w a 6 cyl diesel and auto (canadian spec sixty). The v8 blows them all out of the water easily. Im not just talking about top speeds and dual exhaust sounds either, Im talking about regular all round use.
The 1fz was slow as all hell and if you wanted it to move you were at 4500 rpm and it sounded like it was gonna explode (I know it wasnt, it just sounded that way). The taco was a bit more peppy but passing on the hwy was still a challenge. The 22 re's were solid as all hell but couldnt keep up to the 1fz so.... The diesel non turbo sixty was a freaking dog as well. I dont know if it was tuned up but there was no power there at all. Ive never had the pleasure of driving a 2f equipped sixty but Im gonna go out on a limb and say it would be outperformed by the 1fz.
My 60 is running a mephi 2 ramjet crate (supposedly 350 hp/400tq) with an nv 4500 behind it, atlas 3.8 behind that, 456 gears in 1 tons and 40" tires. The thing moves effortlessly no matter the situation and I have no trouble merging or passing on the hwy. Actually for what it is its very civilized on the road and I can take my hands off the wheel at 130km/h with the van still tracking straight and true. As a bonus I could roast my old 37's in third gear..... if I felt so inclined (didnt do it on purpose cause Im not a tool like that).
Now, off road is just as good if not better. In first gear up a steep rocky incline I can literally get out of the van run to take a crap, forget the tp, go back to the van for it, take the crap, wipe my ass then head back to the van only to find it has moved forward 20'. Ok thats an exaggeration but you get the idea. Like RMP said, in low youre not using the clutch at all just brakes and gas. If I need some wheel spin I put it in 3rd or 4th low and spin em up.... As a bonus, after a day in the bush (4-6 hrs usually), including the trip out and back home i burn about 1/4 tank on average...
As has been said before, a v8 just wakes the 60 up and makes it more fun to drive period. Sure you could carry on about the v8 rumble scaring ducks and moose but really? Im usually in the bush with more than one vehicle so those critters are long gone anyways (it really isnt that loud to begin with though). Like someone else pointed out, if I wanna see wildlife I go out on the bike or take a hike.
Also the whole "keep it all toyota" thing doesnt make sense to me really. Sure, youre a purist and whatnot but why are you doing all these other mods that didnt come from the factory? Rock sliders didnt come stock on 60's but 90% of ppl that wheel throw them on their rigs right? A real purist would scoff at that and be content with his stock 30" tires and his slow as hell but very reliable 2f. I for one love to see dudes stuffing different power plants in their rigs and chopping things here and there, makes for an entertaining build thread.
And thats what I have to say about that.
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Im gonna have to jump to the v8 side of the fence here. Ive owned an 80 w a 4.5 six, taco w 3.4 6, couple 22 re equipped trucks, and driven a 60 w a 6 cyl diesel and auto (canadian spec sixty). The v8 blows them all out of the water easily. Im not just talking about top speeds and dual exhaust sounds either, Im talking about regular all round use.
The 1fz was slow as all hell and if you wanted it to move you were at 4500 rpm and it sounded like it was gonna explode (I know it wasnt, it just sounded that way). The taco was a bit more peppy but passing on the hwy was still a challenge. The 22 re's were solid as all hell but couldnt keep up to the 1fz so.... The diesel non turbo sixty was a freaking dog as well. I dont know if it was tuned up but there was no power there at all. Ive never had the pleasure of driving a 2f equipped sixty but Im gonna go out on a limb and say it would be outperformed by the 1fz.
My 60 is running a mephi 2 ramjet crate (supposedly 350 hp/400tq) with an nv 4500 behind it, atlas 3.8 behind that, 456 gears in 1 tons and 40" tires. The thing moves effortlessly no matter the situation and I have no trouble merging or passing on the hwy. Actually for what it is its very civilized on the road and I can take my hands off the wheel at 130km/h with the van still tracking straight and true. As a bonus I could roast my old 37's in third gear..... if I felt so inclined (didnt do it on purpose cause Im not a tool like that).
Now, off road is just as good if not better. In first gear up a steep rocky incline I can literally get out of the van run to take a crap, forget the tp, go back to the van for it, take the crap, wipe my ass then head back to the van only to find it has moved forward 20'. Ok thats an exaggeration but you get the idea. Like RMP said, in low youre not using the clutch at all just brakes and gas. If I need some wheel spin I put it in 3rd or 4th low and spin em up.... As a bonus, after a day in the bush (4-6 hrs usually), including the trip out and back home i burn about 1/4 tank on average...
As has been said before, a v8 just wakes the 60 up and makes it more fun to drive period. Sure you could carry on about the v8 rumble scaring ducks and moose but really? Im usually in the bush with more than one vehicle so those critters are long gone anyways (it really isnt that loud to begin with though). Like someone else pointed out, if I wanna see wildlife I go out on the bike or take a hike.
Also the whole "keep it all toyota" thing doesnt make sense to me really. Sure, youre a purist and whatnot but why are you doing all these other mods that didnt come from the factory? Rock sliders didnt come stock on 60's but 90% of ppl that wheel throw them on their rigs right? A real purist would scoff at that and be content with his stock 30" tires and his slow as hell but very reliable 2f. I for one love to see dudes stuffing different power plants in their rigs and chopping things here and there, makes for an entertaining build thread.
And thats what I have to say about that.
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What !!!
An american engine in a Japanese import that's based on an american engine
fixed it for ya
Actually, you said, "About the only swaps that seem to be crazy to me...is anyone that chases MPG in a LC... Hell I would spend 2K to buy a rat-trap econo-box DD before I spent any money on a LC chasing fuel mileage."
Little bit different from "only swaps that seem crazy." That said, no reason to get defensive. I was just stating my rationale. I never said anything about the veracity of your statement.
Here is some real life side by side experience. My brother, Landcruisin60, and I go wheeling together. He's SOA, 4.11s, 35s, 2F, rear lock right. I'm OME, 3.70s, 35s, 5.3L, rear lock right. I can tell you I'm yet to find a place where his 2F is better equipped than my 5.3L. Climbing steep hills the carb doesn't hold anything to the EFI. It sputters and has a hard time climbing some steeper hills. If you're on rock obstacles and are trying to go up a shelf, sometimes it is so steep he has to use his choke to keep the 2F from stalling out (I haven't felt nice enough to give him the handle throttle out of my 60 that I don't have to use with the torque of my V8). Another sweet upgrade that comes with the GM V8s is the power steering pump. It makes a huge difference when off road. He has a hard time turning the steering wheel sometimes, I don't.
The 2F doesn't have a rev limiter either. I've seen him put that thing up over 4k RPM to try and make a climb without losing power and sputtering before the top. I just put it in second gear and put it to the floor (the wheeling in the northeast is way different than what I was used to when I was out west. You have to spin the tires to clear them as the ground is always soft and slick. Some places you can't crawl, no matter how hard you try, you just slide backwards down the hill)
I really like how easily my fuel injected vehicle starts, even when its 30 below. No more dicking around with the carb'd when it is dumping snow and all I want to do is hop in my truck and get to the mountain to go skiing.
My old 2F didn't have a quiet exhaust. I used it to scare the bears away. I go hiking or mountain biking if I want to get out and see wildlife. Or I use my truck to get me back into the mountains, and then camp and hike around while I'm back there.
The 2F doesn't have a rev limiter either. I've seen him put that thing up over 4k RPM to try and make a climb without losing power and sputtering before the top. I just put it in second gear and put it to the floor (the wheeling in the northeast is way different than what I was used to when I was out west. You have to spin the tires to clear them as the ground is always soft and slick. Some places you can't crawl, no matter how hard you try, you just slide backwards down the hill)
I really like how easily my fuel injected vehicle starts, even when its 30 below. No more dicking around with the carb'd when it is dumping snow and all I want to do is hop in my truck and get to the mountain to go skiing.
My old 2F didn't have a quiet exhaust. I used it to scare the bears away. I go hiking or mountain biking if I want to get out and see wildlife. Or I use my truck to get me back into the mountains, and then camp and hike around while I'm back there.
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I do not think it is crazy for people who plan on doing a swap to do it in a way that will get the maximum mpg. My engine is just a 350 with a carburetor and at 4k rpm I am at 70-75mph and getting about 9-12 mpg. That said a vortec engine might be getting 17-20 and would have only cost about 500-1k more. Mind you if I had a 5 or 6 speed I might get better mpg. But a well thought out swap should be able to yield better than stock mpg and better than stock mph.
To the guy that mentioned a 6bt that engine probably wouldn't yield any better performance speed or mpg wise than a vortec mind you would get better torque but 6bt isn't really known for high mpg.
I do think if a swap was needed/wanted people should be able to plan for 17-20 mpg on a gas engine.
To the guy that mentioned a 6bt that engine probably wouldn't yield any better performance speed or mpg wise than a vortec mind you would get better torque but 6bt isn't really known for high mpg.
I do think if a swap was needed/wanted people should be able to plan for 17-20 mpg on a gas engine.
I've been reading some v8 swaps and would like or at least i'm considering one if i don't sell the truck soon because of the rust issues... been thinking on changing my old 60 for a 05 fzj71.. anyway to talk about the thread here in Venezuela we often do wheeling trips outside the city so we see a lot of highway and since we don't have speed limits everybody drives at high speeds and i can say that the good old 2f does good pretty much on everything but sometimes ir can be a looot slow! All my friends drive prados 3.4 5vz, hilux 6.0 1gr, 80 series with 4.51fz-fe and even my brothers short wheel base prado that have a 2.7 3rz runs better on highway than my 2f so i'm always the last (on highway) 
and the most common speed we go is 120-140km and sometimes in long straight highways 160km... (i know it sounds crazy). I have taken my 2f to 155km with 33's, 3.70, and a bunch of gear but it doesn't felt good but i have done it a lot of ti mes... but i would lo ve to go at 120-140 like v8s does and not to mention the mud wheeling.. sometimes it feels like the 2f power is too lazy for some mud situations...
Anyway love the idea of having a v8 on my 60 but the thing that doesn't convince me is not having a yota heart...
and the most common speed we go is 120-140km and sometimes in long straight highways 160km... (i know it sounds crazy). I have taken my 2f to 155km with 33's, 3.70, and a bunch of gear but it doesn't felt good but i have done it a lot of ti mes... but i would lo ve to go at 120-140 like v8s does and not to mention the mud wheeling.. sometimes it feels like the 2f power is too lazy for some mud situations...Anyway love the idea of having a v8 on my 60 but the thing that doesn't convince me is not having a yota heart...
I want to do a diesel swap but I am going to keep the 2F on the shelf, I have had a few of those how the **** does it still run like this moments.
i have no problem hitting 80-83 (checked by GPS) in my 2f 60 on I-25 here in Northern Colorado you should see peoples faces as i go whizzing by.....lol as for milage well 12.7 is all she gets on 275's
which one? chevy or toyota