I’m quite certain it’s related to GRH, see my notes above.
Which part# hubs? 5 & 11 are on the list, some were already dead in the 21 & 22 sweeps. Most others look OK.
Unfortunately, Warn also discontinued their long body/short body hubs this year.
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I’m quite certain it’s related to GRH, see my notes above.
Which part# hubs? 5 & 11 are on the list, some were already dead in the 21 & 22 sweeps. Most others look OK.
Unfortunately, Warn also discontinued their long body/short body hubs this year.
FHT-013 is gone, which is among the most commonly used one.
Maybe it was canned earlier and I just haven't been paying attention.
The question remains, would it have been discontinued anyways and the GRH is just extending it a bit longer? Or is it discontinued just for the GRH so they could ask for more money? Big difference in my mind.
Aisin is an aftermarket company and a Toyota supplier. I doubt they would stop selling their own products without external factor involved. My guess would be that GRH bought the rights or renewed the licenses to these parts from Aisin, just like back in the days when the vehicles were still being produced.
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12 & 13 joined the list a year or so ago fwiw
It's a bit more complicated as Toyota has ownership stake in Aisin at high levels, i.e. a Keiretsu relationship. While AISIN makes parts for other auto manufacturers including domestic brands, I suspect when Toyota says 'jump' they say 'how high'. More parts are coming to the GRH program so I don't expect this to be the last of the issue.
then is the GRH a form of rapid or slow profitable liquidation of certain oem Toyota parts , some how no longer profitable to produce ?
Not particularly, so far there are just a couple that fall viticm and we don't have 100% confirmation that's exactly how it went down. The GRH has in fact introduced many parts that were NLA via Toyota or the original manufacturer. There is a chance those companies decide to aftermarket things in the future.
hi Kurt
happy holiday tree day season to you sir ...
thanks for the reply and explanation above ,,
can you say 2 examples of this maybe ?
- as i understand your above Kurt , the 40 series Tail lamp metal rock & stone protection shields , fall under this right ?
- but other part #'s were never actually disc. ever too , ?
- this is why its very confusing for me anyway ?
this is a example of that scenario version :
- Lamp Assembly Room - Toyota (81240-90301)
GR HERITAGE PARTS | GR | TOYOTA GAZOO Racing
General information of GR HERITAGE PARTS
- you can buy one from your local toyota dealer here in usa tomorrow at 8am local time ....
- i do understand the Gazoo application info nomenclature stating its a 24V ..
-[ the 81240-90300 is the 12V version
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Two of many that were brought back from the dead...
I'd say the bean counter culture at Toyota is deep rooted. These parts probably negatively affects their performance metrics, so somebody came up with the smart idea to move it "off the books" into a separate entity that can charge exorbitant prices without tarnishing Toyota's value image.
For similar reasons, they won't sell the 70 Series Land Cruisers in the U.S.. All we get are mall Cruisers loaded up with luxury equipment to pad Toyota's profits. Compare this approach to how Porsche runs its business. They keep their enthusiasts following by maintaining their small volume sports car business, funded by their larger mall cruisers business.
interesting .....
i do know all to well how after the 1988-ish model year , a simple Econ-Box for your student or long distance commuter was simply now in the ashes of usa Toyota history from that point till right now 2023
- the 1988 2wd pickup , 5spd , reg cab , base modle , NO P/S . NO A/C , NO air bags yet rule , NO ABS brakes rule yet , full wide front vinyl bench seat , vinyl floor floor covering , NO floor mats , and a AM only basic GHETTO Blaster , NO center caps , but YES Vented pewter steel wheels , was the last of that breed ,.,,,
paint codes white , black were base cost , all other paint codes cost a bit more
the last Toyota usa Car Economy-Box would habe been the 1998 TERCEL , same exact spec's as above mostly ,
funny part is both were still 100% made in japan good quality , yet saw the most overall major 3/36 and 5/60 .... dealer warranty claims of all kinds mechanical and cosmetics , like a frayed drivers side seat belt before it goes into the retractor ..
- the 22R carb was ok to do a warranty new engine swap , the top end parts , always liked that new BARE aluminum 22R head ok , ..
minimal issues , the engine SLUGE factor stayed put , for the most part ./...
- buy the Tercel 's 5E-FE sucked to have to be saddled on a warranty new engine job , it paid less and took much longer ,,,
the valve shimming took days , no dealer parts dept's stocked a basic supply of hockey pucks shims then or now .....
i think it was a super well designed E Series engine overall , it suffered from a ZERO level of maintenance including a 2nd ever oil and filter change , from its main customer base and target audience , i absolutely saw some of these play out where the new car TERCEL owner drove off there local dealership new car lot , and either they returned with a loud jack-hammer sound now coming from under the hood , from a spun Select-Fit Rod Bearing , or worse the Meat-Hook dropped it off in the service dept. parking lot and had to spread a pile of tidy cat litter under it so the main ROD that punched through the short block prior did leave the exxon valdize all over the already EPA critical level sites , that Toyota dealers back lots had become by the late 1990's before all the " it's now hip to be GREEN too " thing finally caught on that is was a better way forward for humanity as a whole ....
5E-FE below
Typical Interior condition level of a late 1990's TERCEL needing a factory warranty new engine ....
22R below
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This all seems very hard to me. And unnecessarily confusing.
What do you mean? I'd be happy to help clarify.
If I was in the hunt (again) for new parts I needed you would be the first I’d contact Kurt. No confusion on my part there. The confusion, which seems apparent in the responses throughout this thread, to me is the “why” some parts are available or not. I’m just not very good around drama.
Remember a questionnaire about needed parts early on. Has the GR program made any parts available here in the US? If not why ask what needed if your don't plan on making available why bother with the questionnaire?
I know you have brought in small quantities of small parts to resell. Are there any reasonable options short of paying ten times the cost of the part to get larger parts here in the US?
You might have answered your own question. They asked for your help to identify which parts you need, so they can move those into the program and charge you 10x the amount
You might have answered your own question. They asked for your help to identify which parts you need, so they can move those into the program and charge you 10x the amount
Wouldn't be as bad if they made these parts available here in the US. 10X in large part is because of a third party being involved in Japan. I also remember it was possible to do a group buy and have a bundle of parts shipped together to cut down on shipping costs. Think some of the exhaust pipes if they were the same part would help greatly if shipped together.
Still want an answer to a simple question are these parts available here in the US either by Toyota or Heritage Program? Just a yes or no would be nice.
I don't think the parts inquiry questionnaire was ever aimed at the US/Canada (TMNA) market nor was it ever advertised, promoted or distributed as such. Gazoo Racing (aoa GR Heritage which IS Toyota, akin to TRD in the US) does not and has never existed in the US. I've said since the early days that I didn't expect the parts to be available in the US parts system and later confirmed they would not. There shouldn't be surprise about this imo.
The cost is not 10x, lets speak practically here guys. It's more like 1.5-2x what the parts were when sold by the first time by Toyota. Given inflation and the time lapse when offered, it's not crazy. The few we've sold are at a nominal mark-up and they can all be sourced via traditional import channels as needed. Shipping does stack on top of that but I don't find the prices too wild given they are OEM parts afterall.
Totally agree there and I wish I had better answers there. I spent a great deal of time with Koyari-san in Mexico again a few weeks ago and hoped to have more time to discuss the GRH program in depth. Unfortunately his English isn't great and my Japanese is much worse. Many great items and many 'softball' parts like adding 24V bulbs to a readily available 12V light. That said, if you were in Japan, walked into a dealer for a 24V late model 4x turn signal and were told 'Discontinued', you may find yourself stoked to know they are available once again. On the flip side, it could very well kill the 12V version after the program ends.