Toyota Land Cruiser Heritage Parts Program Discussion

[Living in the Past]

I don't think the parts inquiry questionnaire was ever aimed at the US/Canada (TMNA) market nor was it ever advertised, promoted or distributed as such. Gazoo Racing (GR) does not and has never existed in the US. I've said since the early days that I didn't expect the parts to be available in the US parts system and later confirmed they would not. There shouldn't be surprise about this imo.

The cost is not 10x, lets speak practically here guys. It's more like 1.5-2x what the parts were when sold by the first time by Toyota. Given inflation and the time lapse when offered, it's not crazy. The few we've sold are at a nominal mark-up and they can all be sourced via traditional import channels as needed. Shipping does stack on top of that but I don't find the prices too wild given they are OEM parts afterall.

So answering the survey didn't mean anything in North America?

What are the traditional import channels in Japan? I have ordered from Amayama Trading with limited success. Did get some items before they went NLA. Many times they show a part available that is NLA. Have noticed they gotten better at showing the part NLA after I tried to purchase the part. Had zero luck with other company in Japan.

I don't have a problem with that actually cost of the part. It's the middle man that's the issue. Remember a case of a middle section of exhaust pipe coating $2,500 to get it to America. That was ten times the original cost. Not having a group buy option hurts to try and reduce the cost.

 

[Pitter Patter]

this whole 47201-60050 topic has a passion side-story for me , both personal and professional , ..


since first getting my feet wet learning and exploring what all is involved in having a small rubber accordion boot reproduced by a company outside the usa , in a OSHA / SAE / DOT Safety Orange no less !

- i have pipe dreamed the afternoon away in my on-going paper journals / notes hand written i have kept since a teenager , when Artistic Mechanical Inspiration hits me i better record and document it or that moment or its some times lost ?

- well .......well ...well ....


- the 2 YAZAKI late modle sensor boot / cover / cups , that are a COLD SPEC. / SNOW VERSION options package details have been a total obsession for me to get to the table , for well over a decade or more , in a cost efficient manner too


- this is NO easy gravy train task either , because you have to take into account the NYLON YAZAKI button connector housing sitting on the flat too ?

- below is TECH examples of oem originals , & my first initial small re-production run of my reproduction's

- these boots were NOT a stand alone service part much like the OVAL wire harness grommets on each pass through side

- but , DAM .,.....they fit snugly and do the job same as the originals were intended .....

Here they are ..

The 1962 -1972 floor dimmer rubber exterior weather boot is finally compepted

That one was not easy ??

The 47201-60050 sensor boots function same in kind as Engine Wire No. 4 oil sending unit rubber insulation and vibration damper and temperature stabilizer too ..

= good clean steady signals back to the gauge cluster and switch panel ..

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May the cruiser gods bestow their blessings upon you.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

So answering the survey didn't mean anything in North America?

It meant that you could theoretically have the chance to buy a part that doesn’t exist, just not through the US parts system. This was never a US parts program. I suppose it could be one day, but it certainly wasn‘t launched as one.

What are the traditional import channels in Japan? I have ordered from Amayama Trading with limited success. Did get some items before they went NLA. Many times they show a part available that is NLA. Have noticed they gotten better at showing the part NLA after I tried to purchase the part. Had zero luck with other company in Japan.

The dozens of wholesale and retail facing companies that offer acquisition and export of Japanese parts. Amayama is one of many. Megazip, Dave @ Japan4x4, etc. are additional retail racing outfits.

I don't have a problem with that actually cost of the part. It's the middle man that's the issue. Remember a case of a middle section of exhaust pipe coating $2,500 to get it to America. That was ten times the original cost. Not having a group buy option hurts to try and reduce the cost.

OK, while I’m suspect the exhaust cost $2000 to ship to the US, I digress, it wasn’t one I ordered. For most others parts, the shipping cost to the US is fair and the customs paperwork (if required), is pretty uniform.

You mention Amayama, the center exhaust pipe is still listed there as available for $427 retail. There is a 0% shipping is $2000, it’s a large parts so several hundred would be inline imo.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

You might have answered your own question. They asked for your help to identify which parts you need, so they can move those into the program and charge you 10x the amount

There is that 10x number again??.

Help me here. Which GRH part is 10x what it sold for before it moved to the program?

Front 24V turn signals, previously NLA, retail for $205 in Japan as part of GRH. The 12V version retails for $173 in the US. Wheel cylinders in the GRH are $76/each retail. When they were available in the US, they were in the $55 range, a decade ago. I simply don’t find the parts out of line and certainly not close to 10x with shipping.

 

[Racer65]

There is that 10x number again??.

Help me here. Which GRH part is 10x what it sold for before it moved to the program?

Front 24V turn signals, previously NLA, retail for $205 in Japan as part of GRH. The 12V version retails for $173 in the US. Wheel cylinders in the GRH are $76/each retail. When they were available in the US, they were in the $55 range, a decade ago. I simply don’t find the parts out of line and certainly not close to 10x with shipping.

Sorry, I didn't mean it literally. I was just playing back OP's comment that these parts are generally inaccessible both physically and economically. The physical inaccessibility makes it more expensive.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Sorry, I didn't mean it literally. I was just playing back OP's comment that these parts are generally inaccessible both physically and economically. The physical inaccessibility makes it more expensive.

Totally fair. My enginerd brain often reads things too literally.

 

[Wildcat Walker]

hi Kurt

happy holiday tree day season to you sir ...

thanks for the reply and explanation above ,,

can you say 2 examples of this maybe ?




- as i understand your above Kurt , the 40 series Tail lamp metal rock & stone protection shields , fall under this right ?

- but other part #'s were never actually disc. ever too , ?


- this is why its very confusing for me anyway ?


this is a example of that scenario version :

- Lamp Assembly Room - Toyota (81240-90301)​

GR HERITAGE PARTS | GR | TOYOTA GAZOO Racing

General information of GR HERITAGE PARTS

toyotagazooracing.com

- you can buy one from your local toyota dealer here in usa tomorrow at 8am local time ....

- i do understand the Gazoo application info nomenclature stating its a 24V ..

-[ the 81240-90300 is the 12V version



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Thank you for pointing this out! I have been trying to order this through Amayama for MONTHS. It's list price is $28 on there, which is HALF what our stateside distributors want, and it weighs virtually nothing if shipping with other parts. Every time I try to order it, it gets cancelled for "delivery term unknown", but now we know why. This is a good example of the GRH program making it harder to get items, and actually adding cost to the end customer. The whole point of ordering through Amayama is to cut out greedy U.S. middlemen.

 

[ToyotaMatt]

Thank you for pointing this out! I have been trying to order this through Amayama for MONTHS. It's list price is $28 on there, which is HALF what our stateside distributors want, and it weighs virtually nothing if shipping with other parts. Every time I try to order it, it gets cancelled for "delivery term unknown", but now we know why. This is a good example of the GRH program making it harder to get items, and actually adding cost to the end customer. The whole point of ordering through Amayama is to cut out greedy U.S. middlemen.

both the 81240-90300 and 81240-90301 should be available at any local Toyota dealer in the lower 48....fyi

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Thank you for pointing this out! I have been trying to order this through Amayama for MONTHS. It's list price is $28 on there, which is HALF what our stateside distributors want, and it weighs virtually nothing if shipping with other parts. Every time I try to order it, it gets cancelled for "delivery term unknown", but now we know why. This is a good example of the GRH program making it harder to get items, and actually adding cost to the end customer. The whole point of ordering through Amayama is to cut out greedy U.S. middlemen.

Sounds like you should start a Land Cruiser parts business and offer the US a pipeline of parts from Japan sans the 'greedy U.S. middlemen'.

Many OEM Toyota parts are in fact less expensive stateside than Japan, belts, hoses, hardware, etc. You're speculating that the GRH program is causing the shortage of a 12V vs 24V application which could very likely NOT be the case. There are quite a few part numbers that are NLA in Japan parts system but readily in the US parts system, that light could be one of many in this realm.

Or, the could have been planning to discontinue the light as they have a huge amount of lights over the recent years and the 24V is a last ooorah for it in the GRH program. We just don't know.

 

[ToyotaMatt]

Sounds like you should start a Land Cruiser parts business and offer the US a pipeline of parts from Japan sans the 'greedy U.S. middlemen'.

Many OEM Toyota parts are in fact less expensive stateside than Japan, belts, hoses, hardware, etc. You're speculating that the GRH program is causing the shortage of a 12V vs 24V application which could very likely NOT be the case. There are quite a few part numbers that are NLA in Japan parts system but readily in the US parts system, that light could be one of many in this realm.

Or, the could have been planning to discontinue the light as they have a huge amount of lights over the recent years and the 24V is a last ooorah for it in the GRH program. We just don't know.

we here in the USA hands down have the lowest TOYOTA msrp prices on ALL Gas and Diesel fuel caps , and oddly enough , ALL OEM Key blanks too !

i see the Safety Aspect of both being made more affordable to the common USA owner operator....

However , ANY Key Lock Cylinder it-self , is a radically opposite topic to compare apples ....



that's all i know alot about on all that and this topic ....

 

[Living in the Past]

It meant that you could theoretically have the chance to buy a part that doesn’t exist, just not through the US parts system. This was never a US parts program. I suppose it could be one day, but it certainly wasn‘t launched as one.



The dozens of wholesale and retail facing companies that offer acquisition and export of Japanese parts. Amayama is one of many. Megazip, Dave @ Japan4x4, etc. are additional retail racing outfits.



OK, while I’m suspect the exhaust cost $2000 to ship to the US, I digress, it wasn’t one I ordered. For most others parts, the shipping cost to the US is fair and the customs paperwork (if required), is pretty uniform.

You mention Amayama, the center exhaust pipe is still listed there as available for $427 retail. There is a 0% shipping is $2000, it’s a large parts so several hundred would be inline imo.

I am sorry Kurt if you thought I was referring to you on the exhaust piece. Believe you personally have not brought anything bigger than a bread box from the program. In another thread I made my statement about this program and mentioned the few small items you brought in you were reasonable on the pricing. Wasn't my intent to call anyone out and didn't mention anyone. It was just about the program in general. Wish up front the threads about parts needed would have mentioned it was never going to be available in North America.

I do see the middle pipe on Amayama. Not sure which of the three pictured it is. Just that it's not the one for a CAT. Not a big deal. Has anyone actually gotten one from them? Been my experience a part will show available until someone orders it and they realize it's NLA and change their listing to that. Years ago I would order only to get it out of stock and try again in 30 days. It would stay in the system as available even though I knew it was NLA. Megazip I have had zero luck actually having any part I order. Read the same thing on Mud.

Unfortunately I haven't a clue of the dozens of other possible vendors.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

More GRH goodies arrived. Some are repeats, some are new to me.

 

[OGBeno]

Nice. Are you going to carry the -60050 for sale to the public?

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Nice. Are you going to carry the -60050 for sale to the public?

Yes, that is the plan BUT we still have ~30 of the AISIN boxed variant (now totally discontinued) in-stock. The price has jumped on those but they are still less than we would have to retail the OEM variant in the US after shipping/duties are figured in.

Pretty wild for me to make a discontinued number live again in our system. We sold our last 47201-60050 (our part# BKN60050OEM) on 05/21/2018, it was a decently popular part number for us but the AISIN really smoked it in total volume. Here we are over 5 years later putting it back in the system, temporary as it may be. I'm still optimistic AISIN will bring it back into their aftermarket program when GRH is done with it. We won't have a firm answer on that for some time.

 

[OGBeno]

Yes, that is the plan BUT we still have ~30 of the AISIN boxed variant (now totally discontinued) in-stock. The price has jumped on those but they are still less than we would have to retail the OEM variant in the US after shipping/duties are figured in.

Pretty wild for me to make a discontinued number live again in our system. We sold our last 47201-60050 (our part# BKN60050OEM) on 05/21/2018, it was a decently popular part number for us but the AISIN really smoked it in total volume. Here we are over 5 years later putting it back in the system, temporary as it may be. I'm still optimistic AISIN will bring it back into their aftermarket program when GRH is done with it. We won't have a firm answer on that for some time.

Some people just like the OEM boxes with black and red and white Toyota part number labels.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Some people just like the OEM boxes with black and red and white Toyota part number labels.

I know they (you) do

I need to open one up and compare them side by side. There are applications where the AISIN aftermarket is different than the Genuine Toyota. Often it's the ground-off 'Toyota' or 'Teq' but sometimes the OEM comes with a cap, the aftermarket doesn't or small changes like that.

Here is the 47201-60050 when we used to sell it the last go around many moons ago

And the AISIN (sold under Advics) variant

 

[cruiseroutfit]

GR Heritage on display at the Tokyo Auto Salon (think SEMA Japan)

I spy some new items.

 

[mattressking]

GR Heritage on display at the Tokyo Auto Salon (think SEMA Japan)

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I spy some new items.

Ugh I want the exhaust . Are you at TAS?

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Ugh I want the exhaust . Are you at TAS?

Nope, one day I'll get there. A friend shared that.

 

[Living in the Past]

Ugh I want the exhaust . Are you at TAS?

Same piece of exhaust I want along with the next two sections. But the first section is top on my list.