Not mine, but supposed 2016 Land Cruiser Double Cab Pickup for sale...

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**Disclaimer: I have zero interest in a $70,000.00+ Land Cruiser. Buying one would result in my wife divorcing me and I can't live on 10% of my assets.
I do however enjoy reading this thread and find it somewhat amazing that after 25 pages and 482 post, no vehicle has been sold or even seen for that matter. I wonder if this is a 'MUD record. :)
 
**Disclaimer: I have zero interest in a $70,000.00+ Land Cruiser. Buying one would result in my wife divorcing me and I can't live on 10% of my assets.
I do however enjoy reading this thread and find it somewhat amazing that after 25 pages and 482 post, no vehicle has been sold or even seen for that matter. I wonder if this is a 'MUD record. :)

Charles, I'll buy the truck if it's legit. Will have it shipped directly to Thomasville.
 
Charles, I'll buy the truck if it's legit. Will have it shipped directly to Thomasville.
So I can at least ride in a $70,000.00+ Land Cruiser without divorce proceedings ..... Cool. :)
 
Hey guys,

Nevermind this LC America stuff. I just pulled some strings with Akio Toyoda and he's agreed to start sending over all current production model Land Cruisers to the US and Canadian markets. Don't worry, Toyota will do all the paperwork, crash and emissions testing to square it up with EPA, DOT, CARB, etc. 100% LEGAL! And, he even said he'd do a Mud group buy for a steep discount.

Oh, and I told him about the issues we're having with all the recent NLA parts and he was like "no problem Land Crusher-San, I'll just divert some resources from the Prius group and get that EPC fully restocked all the way back to the FJ25." Talk about a stand-up dude.

See, you just have to figure out how to do it.
 
I don't know to which standard LC America is being held by EPA, but here are two documents that show (1) the Toyota 1VD-FTV emissions and (2) the EPA Light-Duty Vehicle and Light-Duty Truck Emission Standards, from 2016:

(1) http://media.toyota.co.uk/wp-content/files_mf/1319285828tech_spec.pdf

(2) https://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyPDF.cgi?Dockey=P100O9ZJ.pdf

From what I can see, of the emissions values that Toyota provides, the IVD-FTV is, on paper, compliant with EPA's Emissions Standards. The IVD-FTV is the engine in LC America's truck, and is Euro 5 compliant.

A comparison of EU/EPA emissions standards can be found here: http://www.theicct.org/sites/default/files/ICCT_comparison Euro v US.pdf

A more detailed study from the European Parliament can be found here: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2016/587331/IPOL_STU(2016)587331_EN.pdf


Maybe someone can have a look and double check my math that the IVD-FTV has a shot at conforming to EPA emissions standards. A few observations from these reports that would make conforming to EPA Standards as simple as re-running the tests:

1. US and EU emissions standards are not equivalent in how they are tested, no less in what the targets are.
2. NOx emissions have been found to be higher than EU emissions limit values. This means that what a manufacturer is able to achieve in its initial emissions testing phase is often higher outside of those optimal testing conditions. For this reason...
3. ...It is unclear whether LC America is capable of replicating the level of sophistication in road and lab settings that would be required to maintain the values that Toyota reports. Again, the IVD-FTV engine conforms with EURO 5, which is more stringent that EPA standards, but the values Toyota publishes were recorded within an optimal road and lab testing environment.
4. It goes without saying that one can assume that optimizing vehicles for lab and road testing to conform to emission standards is really a science and not something that can be achieved without some level of expertise on the matter. It's unclear whether LC America has the resources to create optimal lab and road testing environments with a vehicle that can therefore emit pollutants below the EPA emissions standard. Let's hope so.

5. For reasons 2-4, it is unclear whether the margin of error between manufacturer recorded emissions results (which is what Toyota achieved when its vehicles were tested before manufacturing began) and real-world emissions results (which is what LC America would be having to create) is still less than the disparities between EPA and Euro 5 standards. For example, perhaps the LC America IVD-FTV produces slightly higher emissions levels than Euro 5, but they are still below the maximum amounts permitted by the EPA standard. From what I understand, this would be the ideal scenario for LC America and those interested in seeing this vehicle available legally in the USA.

The long of the short of it is that it appears that there is a shot for the IVD-FTV, but it is unclear how likely it would be for LC America to achieve EPA emissions standards without resources and know-how for optimizing the test vehicle, what the NMOG, Formaldehyde, and PM emissions are for the IDV-FTV engine.

It then begs the question that perhaps Toyota's emissions testing suffice and LC America does not have to undergo independent testing. Can someone who knows chime in?
 
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It then begs the question that perhaps Toyota's emissions testing suffice and LC America does not have to undergo independent testing. Can someone who knows chime in?

A power train system would have to be tested for EPA compliance and modified to be certified for road use in the US. Then CARB standards, if one was interested in selling in California.

It's totally doable given enough money and without concern for the final price. The more difficult part is DOT compliance. Also totally doable but not at a reasonable price. Mike Papp told me they'd be replacing non DOT compliant components. No GVWR tricks, no exemptions, straight modifications to meet the standards.
 
My pockets aren't deep enough to even buy one of the tires off this thing so all I want to know is who is shipping this thing around the states? I know a guy who has moved a few Land Cruisers...:steer:
 
It then begs the question that perhaps Toyota's emissions testing suffice and LC America does not have to undergo independent testing. Can someone who knows chime in?

Unfortunately the EPA doesn't make life easy for anyone. Look at how many times Cummins has had to push back the release of their 2.8 diesel crate engine because of the EPA. I highly doubt they would let someone just stroll in with a non tested engine for the USA and give them a green card. Be one hell of a bribe if they did.
 
I can't believe I just spent that last few hours reading this thread that has gotten nowhere.

Best of luck to you the gentlemen here trying to get a new 70 series in the states.

Anyways, here's a picture I took of a JDM 30th anniversary with the 1GR-FE. It was at a cars and coffee type meet in Yokohama.

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And to think this all started with an Ebay listing. I found it interesting to go back and read that original ad on Ebay - and the comments on it. That gives perspective to where the thread is at now.

Just think of the thread length we could get if someone posted up a Toyota Megacruiser for sale...
Toyota Mega Cruiser - Wikipedia

Of course, someone could theoretically import one of those in another 4-5 years...
 
A 30th Anniversary Truck. So if someone wants to order one of those, I am pretty sure that we can still make it happen.
 
We still have that in our inventory...

A 30th Anniversary Truck. So if someone wants to order one of those, I am pretty sure that we can still make it happen.

Can I recommend clarifying that?

Maybe something like you can source one from an overseas dealership for potential import after the regulatory hurdles have been conquered?

Stating that you have one in -your- inventory implies that it is a vehicle that you have clear title for and is currently sitting inside the US on your property. Is that the case?
 
Just think of the thread length we could get if someone posted up a Toyota Megacruiser for sale...
Toyota Mega Cruiser - Wikipedia

Of course, someone could theoretically import one of those in another 4-5 years...

Those do exist and some are already here.

Legalized 70's do not exist. So far all that we know about L79/LC America is that their first story was proven to be a lie. They have a new story but refuse to offer even the most rudimentary proof and can't even give straight answers.
 
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This thread is like a train wreck, I can't help but look every time there's another ugly response. Can we all just wait and watch to see if this comes true? We all know how hard it would be to make this happen and that it's probably not going to. Let's just wait and see instead of pontificating about it every day.
 
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