Magnuson supercharger - coming back

[jjdeneen918]

Those shortcoming being...?

The short comings of this kit is it’s a re-release of the original kit, designed in the 1990’s.

It’ll be that dated technology.

It won’t be the higher HP & Torque of the current turbo iterations that are available currently.

Short comings of the turbos is they’re not currently 50-state legal with 30-years of reliably data to back them up.

But the caveat is the super charger will be the ‘tried & true’ original equipment that Toyota engineers have verified & history has shown as reliable for this application & will be 50-state smog legal.

I’m not implying the turbos aren’t reliable, they just don’t have 30 years of data behind them for this application.

That being said, I’ve been running the WE turbo since 2019, no issues.

 

[jaymar]

The short comings of this kit is it’s a re-release of the original kit, designed in the 1990’s.

It’ll be that dated technology.

It won’t be the higher HP & Torque of the current turbo iterations that are available currently.

Short comings of the turbos is they’re not currently 50-state legal with 30-years of reliably data to back them up.

But the caveat is the super charger will be the ‘tried & true’ original equipment that Toyota engineers have verified & history has shown as reliable for this application & will be 50-state smog legal.

I’m not implying the turbos aren’t reliable, they just don’t have 30 years of data behind them for this application.

That being said, I’ve been running the WE turbo since 2019, no issues.

Thanks. The engine is from that era too so, doesn't bother me. Proven long-term reliability as you say. And--sacrilege!--I don't actually want a turbo. I have much more use for something that kicks in on the low end and goes up from there (and doesn't run at 1500 degrees). I took @landtank 's post as suggesting that his design might address the rumored shortcomings(?)

 

[landtank]

Thanks. The engine is from that era too so, doesn't bother me. Proven long-term reliability as you say. And--sacrilege!--I don't actually want a turbo. I have much more use for something that kicks in on the low end and goes up from there (and doesn't run at 1500 degrees). I took @landtank 's post as suggesting that his design might address the rumored shortcomings(?)

No, those of us who lived through the first runs of these had issues. Mainly running real hot. And now there are solutions for that as well as improvements. We know whats coming and how to deal with it.

 

[jaymar]

No, those of us who lived through the first runs of these had issues. Mainly running real hot. And now there are solutions for that as well as improvements. We know whats coming and how to deal with it.

Care to share?

 

[raisinhell2]

@NorCal

Hello everyone,

I saw a post recently (Wesley - blackhillsbuilds) about magnuson making superchargers for the 1fz again. I’ve put my name on the pre sale list. But wondering if anyone knows more about this. I emailed Magnuson not long ago asking if they could rebuild my current SC but never received a reply. Anyone know more details?

Capture from his IG.

View attachment 3704099

I just got a SC back from rebuild from JON DON for a customers rig it was pricey and took about 9 weeks @landtank do you have the fan clutch's for the SC in stock?

 

[landtank]

1 in stock

 

[landtank]

Care to share?

Initially I came up with a modified diesel clutch that allows the use of the stock fan which wasn't used with the TRD setup. This pretty much returned the cooling system back to normal.

I just finished a comprehensive kit that has a scaled injection system that regains lost spark advance, has a smoother intake tube for better air delivery and a remote IAT sensor so the ECU gets actual intake air temps post compressor.

And there is a Bell intercooler on the shelf waiting for its turn to be installed.

If you check out my SC build thread there is pics of this stuf on the last couple of pages

 

[raisinhell2]

Initially I came up with a modified diesel clutch that allows the use of the stock fan which wasn't used with the TRD setup. This pretty much returned the cooling system back to normal.

I just finished a comprehensive kit that has a scaled injection system that regains lost spark advance, has a smoother intake tube for better air delivery and a remote IAT sensor so the ECU gets actual intake air temps post compressor.

And there is a Bell intercooler on the shelf waiting for its turn to be installed.

If you check out my SC build thread there is pics of this stuf on the last couple of pages

Your clutch wont work with the TRD SC fan ? My customer has a TRD fan . He also sent me your injector kit. Finishing that off tomorrow should have this beast running by the end of the week.

 

[White Stripe]

$8500 for ~35hp gain to the wheels. That's a bit hard to stomach.

When doing any mods for power be careful to not look at peak numbers. The overall curve is most important. Especially the part of the curve you drive in most often. Also, since it's a standard magnuson compressor, it's probably fairly simple to upgrade the compressor for a more efficient compressor such as a gen 5 magnuson.

 

[Corbet]

Price is the price. Boost = mo better. I'm only running a 5lb spring in my Witts End turbo and the truck is so much more drivable. I may not have the same opinion though after a week in the 250. That feels like a rocket ship.

 

[landtank]

Your clutch wont work with the TRD SC fan ? My customer has a TRD fan . He also sent me your injector kit. Finishing that off tomorrow should have this beast running by the end of the week.

It will but why would you want to use it? The TRD fan moves less air.

 

[logicbyondreaso]

 

[raisinhell2]

It will but why would you want to use it? The TRD fan moves less air.

This is the 1st SC engine I have messed with. Normally my customers just LS swap. I didn't know the the TRD fan moved less air. But I do now. I had always heard these had a heat issue I'm trying to minimize that. Looks like a new fan is in order. Thanks !

 

[jaymar]

This is the 1st SC engine I have messed with. Normally my customers just LS swap. I didn't know the the TRD fan moved less air. But I do now. I had always heard these had a heat issue I'm trying to minimize that. Looks like a new fan is in order. Thanks !

Look at a Ron Davis or Griffin rad too, while you've got your wallet out...

 

[Dindu Nuffin]

Are they still using the undersized M series EZ-Bake oven, or are they offering it with a TVS unit?

 

[Norcal510]

The new Magnuson SC in his rig.

 

[jaymar]

According to Magnuson, the kit WILL be CARB compliant, and contains 'everything needed to do the install.' Whether that means to install the S/C alone or to hook it up to everything else, they didn't say; they don't yet have an official bill of materials to make public.

 

[Squeegee]

$8500 for ~35hp gain to the wheels. That's a bit hard to stomach.

As someone who’s had this exact set up, I can verify that the 35hp is totally not worth it. I sold mine for $4000 and 3 linked the truck and put it on 37s. I barely noticed taking the blower of…

 

[jaymar]

As someone who’s had this exact set up, I can verify that the 35hp is totally not worth it. I sold mine for $4000 and 3 linked the truck and put it on 37s. I barely noticed taking the blower of…

Were you running 37s when the S/C was on?

 

[Squeegee]

Were you running 37s when the S/C was on?

I ran 35s and 4.88s with the blower and 35s and 4.88s without it…. I didn’t notice much of a difference. I slapped the 37s on after.

If I were to reinvest in making the 80 make more power. I’m just going to make my own turbo kit and wire in a standalone. The turbo kits available and the Magnuson don’t make a lot of sense to me. The turbo kits make around 210 and the Magnuson makes way less. I get that peak power isn’t everything but after that big investment, you’re left with a car that barely keeps up with traffic… and this is coming from someone’s who’s actually had the Magnuson.