Headliner replacement?

[sl33py]

Thanks for the pics Rob. Many who are removing that material from their bed area suggest using dry ice to make the adhesive brittle, then it's a piece of cake to chip it out (so I've read).

Butt

Hey Butt - i did use dry ice to remove the OEM tar mat. I'll give it a shot but don't think it will help with the dry adhesive on the roof. Maybe the rubber cement like adhesive...

rob

 

[sl33py]

Would you mind posting some pics of the interior rear passenger roof area? I'm thinking of building a spare tire mount (stripper pole style) and I'm wondering if there is an attachment point near the roof.

Thanks - Seth

Seth - whereabouts do you need a pic of? In between C and D pillars, or further back? I'm assuming without the jute so you can see the roof? I'll try to get a shot just trying to understand what you are looking to see.

rob

 

[Elbert]

The PO had the windshield replaced in my truck and I think its screwed... I suspect it the cause of a leak I have. Boy the headlinner in these things really is a %^$# of work. Are you saying the side windows have to come out too...

Looks like its almost impossible to get that thing out without damage in some form...I suspect that 23 year old fabric is easy to rip.

Are you going to remove everything down to the metal on teh roof?

Thanks for the pics.... I don't look forward to screwing with mine...

 

[sl33py]

The PO had the windshield replaced in my truck and I think its screwed... I suspect it the cause of a leak I have. Boy the headlinner in these things really is a %^$# of work. Are you saying the side windows have to come out too...

Looks like its almost impossible to get that thing out without damage in some form...I suspect that 23 year old fabric is easy to rip.

Are you going to remove everything down to the metal on teh roof?

Thanks for the pics.... I don't look forward to screwing with mine...

Elbert - hope the pics help. If the headliner is dead you can easily rip this out, but not save it. I think mine is actually easily re-installable.

I'm not going to bare metal on the roof. Just get rid of the "silencer pads", their adhesive, and misc mess left behind. Then i'm going to soundproof it and put the headliner back in.

You might try having another glass shop pull the windshield and re-install it correctly. If they do it right it shouldn't leak and still have the headliner tight (unlike mine).

Yeah the rear side windows really should go if you are trying to save your headliner... Good luck!

rob

 

[FJ60M1KE]

Another dead thread? No offence but the removal is the easy part. Id like to know how it all came back together (or didn't) It would really help people know what they are getting into.
This message is just in the off chance you're still receiving notifications on this very old thread Cheers!

 

[too tall]

I recently re and re 'd a 60 series headliner . It came out easy and went back in relatively the same . I used trim adhesive on all the edges to hold it while I got the clips back on . Reusing an old headliner will give you a bit of a guide as to how much of the edge gets wrapped around the various openings etc . Don't get too greedy trying to make it tight . It will cause the headliner to have shortcomings in other spots , wrinkles or falling shy of the mark . One of the tricks was putting the glue on both the headliner and the car and let it tack for a sec before you try to stick it . Monitor the holes where vent visors and handles go to make sure it is in the correct spot , it is pretty forgiving . I thought it would be a horrible experience and I prepared for that . Maybe that's why I didn't think it was that bad . Not a one banana job but not that difficult . Patience more than anything . Amazing how tough the original vinyl is . I used regular dish soap and water with a scrub brush and the one I did came out very clean .

 

[sschruff]

So I'm getting closer to ripping out my headliner (which is in great shape). I'd like to re-use it after installing some sound/heat dampener. I talked with an upholstery place here and they can get a new liner for 350$ - same price as from cruiserparts.net for a "good" takeout.

Has anyone re-installed their old headliner? If i pull it carefully and clean up the glue, etc I think i'll save a bit of $ over them doing it. It would be nice to get it cleaned and re-installed. I think there are 2 holes is in and otherwise it's just dingy in a couple spots.

The killer is their labor is $85/hr, so could get expensive fast!

I appreciate any input - if you've done it , have pics etc...

rob

sl33py-

I have a perfect headliner that I'm having pulled - like others have commented, going to insulate/sound deaden first, then doing a custom install. The prices being thrown out are similar to what I've been quoted...$750 to $1000. I've had 2 shops tell me that the liners can be saved but it's damn near impossible to do as such...even if you do R&R the glass accordingly. Moreover, I was told...'even if you can salvage a perfect liner, there's no telling it won't tear/rip during the re-install and/or even if it goes back in perfectly, no guarantee that it won't start to deteriorate within a week, a month, etc.

Good luck man. . .

Shane

 

[87CRUSR]

original headliner was taken down. The original roof padding was removed. Installed 1/8" Dynamat roof padding followed with OEM roof padding material. Headliner was SOR vinyl aftermarket headliner. Good fit throughout. The trick was using proper adhesive and stretch where necessary.

 

[cruzrob]

i just got done pulling out my liner. i'm fixing the rust holes that were/are in the roof from PO cutting holes in it for the roof rack that was tied to the ribs of the roof. anyways what i did was i used a razor blade on a holder and a shop vac. got almost all of the stuff off and will hit the high spots with a sander. my interior guy said that it isn't important to get every last bit of stuff off. plus that glue toyota used is some nasty stuff to take off.

 

[LATechCruiser]

@sschruff Your cruiser is looking good! I'm in NOLA as well and just bought an '89 FJ62 that is currently parked in Lake Charles. Probably bringing it over in a few weeks once I have time to get back home and fetch it.

One of my first projects is going to be dealing with the headliner as well. My current plan is to to just rip it out since it's not in great shape anyway and roll in Monstaliner or Al's Liner when I do the whole interior. Surprisingly, that doesn't seem to be a very popular option here, but I kind of dig the utilitarian look of it.

 

[enfield]

@sschruff Your cruiser is looking good! I'm in NOLA as well and just bought an '89 FJ62 that is currently parked in Lake Charles. Probably bringing it over in a few weeks once I have time to get back home and fetch it.

One of my first projects is going to be dealing with the headliner as well. My current plan is to to just rip it out since it's not in great shape anyway and roll in Monstaliner or Al's Liner when I do the whole interior. Surprisingly, that doesn't seem to be a very popular option here, but I kind of dig the utilitarian look of it.

I'm in the middle of that job myself. The roof support ribs and the metal around the perimeter of the roof, aren't real attractive. I think that this and the noise/heat issues are the reason more folks don't run without it.
I'm looking into a custom headliner, maybe a piece of plywood, covered in canvas, to mitigate those problems. I prefer the pillars to be bare anyway.

 

[essar5]

I'm in the middle of that job myself. The roof support ribs and the metal around the perimeter of the roof, aren't real attractive. I think that this and the noise/heat issues are the reason more folks don't run without it.
I'm looking into a custom headliner, maybe a piece of plywood, covered in canvas, to mitigate those problems. I prefer the pillars to be bare anyway.

I would love to see what your results look like once finished.

 

[enfield]

I would love to see what your results look like once finished.

I'll definitely post something here. Still need to get paint done first though.

 

[Elbert]

Given the time that has passed I think it would be nearly impossible to get the OEM headliner out or back in without tearing it. The cloth becomes very brittle over time and subject to damage very easy.

 

[boerboel313]

I just got a tear in my perfect headliner while moving some things in it. No idea how it happened.
Will post pic of it tomorrow.
Then does anyone know of a half way decent proceedure to patch it with out replacing it?

 

[Pepperana]

I am going to give neoprene rubber with 1 sticky side a go!

 

[CenTXFJ60]

I just got a tear in my perfect headliner while moving some things in it. No idea how it happened.
Will post pic of it tomorrow.
Then does anyone know of a half way decent proceedure to patch it with out replacing it?

if you want to patch it so it’s not noticeable you’ll need to pull it and apply a patch to the underside. I just read through this thread and agree with what the original guy said about glass removal etc. having done this I know it’s the only way to do it correctly. And if your liner is in good shape it can definitely be reused. These things are extremely well made and can be cleaned. The nice thing about an original is the holes (some lights, grab bars etc) ar alread there. I used these marks to align mine and then glued the edges. Actually a no brainer type job...just laborious. Let me know if you need pics or you can check out my recent build. I believe it’s a few pages from the end.

 

[boerboel313]

Thank you .
I was really hoping not to have to remove it.
If I do that I might as well replace it.
The rest of the headliner is clean and in amazing shape.

What material should I use if I choose to patch the hole?

 

[CenTXFJ60]

Oh man...if you’re gonna rip it that’s the best place. No need to remove it completely. The rear door area is the easiest and you may have to remove the one side window there. Then drop the rear section down enough to patch from the inside. Maybe get a patch piece from someone parting out a 60.

 

[boerboel313]

Oh man...if you’re gonna rip it that’s the best place. No need to remove it completely. The rear door area is the easiest and you may have to remove the one side window there. Then drop the rear section down enough to patch from the inside. Maybe get a patch piece from someone parting out a 60.

How difficult is it to remove the window?
Any tops or tricks?