That's a fairly nice looking Cruiser, except for the snorkel. Have no idea what it's worth from just one photo and no background info. So, the price is negotiable?
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As I recall, the tank replacement is part of a US Federal order, and Toyota not doing it is not an option for them. They may not like it, but I think they are stuck doing it. I don't think there is an expiration or time limit on when the recall must be completed either.
Maybe Beno or Cruiser Dan can chime in on this?
Maybe Beno or Cruiser Dan can chime in on this?
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how much did they tell you they would give you for it?
FJ60 tank and parts for the recall are still available.
They are not available for the FJ62. Discontinued.
Food for thought. Wonder how the 60 and 62 tanks actually differ. I think the exteriors are identical; a 62 tank will swap in place of a 60 tank. In a 60 tank could the electric 62 pump be swapped into the spot of the fuel pickup line of the 60 tank? If not a direct swap perhaps with minor modification.
Is the recall ordered for the 62? And if so, how would the manufacturer perform said recall if they disco'd the tank?
I wonder where the OP went?
I wonder where the OP went?
Yeah, I believe some 62 are impacted. You can call the dealer to check your VIN and see if it was included in the recall and if the service was ever done. Mine was not done but there is nothing I can do about it now.
Read the following. It appears Toyota must make the repairs to correct SAFETY RECALLS, or buy the vehicle. This is kind of interesting and possibly a slippery slope for owners of older vehicles with known safety recalls. Why? If a vehicle has known safety defects - bad fuel tank and/or defective seat belts...(Sound familiar?), would a insurance company issue a policy for the vehicle? Would you be liable for injuries to passengers if you knew of a safety defect and someone was injured? Something to think about, and maybe the reason for Toyota buy back offer.
When a Safety Recall is ordered, in this case - NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 91V110000, the manufacturer is required to do the recall at no cost to the vehicle owner, period. No expiration dates apply, at least that I can can find.
The NHTSA web site recall information page - Vehicle Owners | Safercar -- National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) Go the the "Recall FAQ's" about half way down the left column.
Here are a few quotes regarding safety recalls from the NHTSA site:
Vehicle Recalls: Frequently Asked Questions
Your car is important to you, and your safety is important to us. But when your vehicle or motor vehicle equipment poses a safety risk to you, your passengers, or other motorists, then it can be recalled.
Find out how to know whether a safety recall has been issued on your car and what to do if you have a vehicle or motor vehicle safety problem.
SAFETY
WHAT’S A RECALL AND WHEN IS IT NECESSARY?
A recall is issued when a manufacturer or NHTSA determines that a vehicle, equipment, car seat, or tire creates an unreasonable safety risk or fails to meet minimum safety standards. Manufacturers are required to fix the problem by repairing it, replacing it, offering a refund, or in rare cases repurchasing the vehicle.
The United States Code for Motor Vehicle Safety (Title 49, Chapter 301) defines motor vehicle safety as “the performance of a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment in a way that protects the public against unreasonable risk of accidents occurring because of the design, construction, or performance of a motor vehicle, and against unreasonable risk of death or injury in an accident, and includes nonoperational safety of a motor vehicle.” A defect includes “any defect in performance, construction, a component, or material of a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment.” Generally, a safety defect is defined as a problem that exists in a motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment that:
•
poses a risk to motor vehicle safety, and
•
may exist in a group of vehicles of the same design or manufacture, or items of equipment of the same type and manufacture.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO ME?
When your vehicle, equipment, car seat, or tire is subject to a recall, a safety defect has been identified that affects you. NHTSA monitors each safety recall to make sure owners receive safe, free, and effective remedies from manufacturers according to the Safety Act and Federal regulations. If there is a safety recall, your manufacturer will fix the problem free of charge.
HOW WILL I KNOW IF THERE’S A RECALL?
If you have registered your vehicle, your manufacturer will notify you if there’s a safety recall by sending you a letter in the mail. Please do your part and make sure your vehicle registration is up-to-date, including your current mailing address.
You can also sign up to receive from NHTSA e-mail recall notifications affecting your make and model; download the Safercar mobile app for iPhones or Safercar mobile app for Androids to have recall alerts sent to your phone; or subscribe to RSS feeds about safety-related recalls for child restraints, vehicles and tires.
Manufacturers are obligated to attempt to notify owners of recalled products. For vehicles, that means manufacturers merge their own vehicle purchase records with current State vehicle registration information. For equipment, where State registration records do not exist, manufacturers are obligated to notify their distribution chain and known purchasers of the recalled equipment. However, even if you do not receive a notification, if your vehicle, child restraint, or other item of equipment is involved in a safety recall, the manufacturer is obligated to provide a free remedy.
Recall Order info:
FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE:STORAGE:TANK ASSEMBLY Recall for 1984 LAND CRUISER TOYOTA Auto Recalls - Justia Car & Truck Recalls
TOYOTA LAND CRUISER 1984: FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE:STORAGE:TANK ASSEMBLY
Make : TOYOTA Model : LAND CRUISER Year : 1984
Build Dates : 1980-09-01 - 1989-12-01
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 91V110000
Date Owner's Notified: 1991-07-12 Date Received by ODI: 1991-06-26 Date Added to Database: 1991-06-28
Manufacturers Involved: Toyota Motor Corporation
Manufacturer's Responsible for the Recall:
Manufacturer Campaign Number:
Component: FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE:STORAGE:TANK ASSEMBLY
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 38500
Summary:
Consequence:
FUEL LEAKAGE CAN LEAD TO FIRE WHEN NEAR AN IGNITIONSOURCE.
Remedy:
REPLACE THE FUEL TANK WITH AN IMPROVED TANK.
Report Initiator: ODI V Report
Regulation Part Number: Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard Number:
Notes:
SYSTEM: FUEL TANK ASSEMBLY.VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: MULTI-PURPOSE VEHICLE.DESCRIPITON OF DEFECT: CERTAIN HIGH TEMPERATURES AND LOADING EFFECTSCAN CREATE HIGH PRESSURE IN THE FUEL TANK. THE RESULTANT STRESS CANCAUSE EXCESSIVE LOAD TO THE FUEL TANK SEPARATOR WELD ATTACHMENTS TO THE INTERIOROF THE TANK, WHICH CAN RESULT IN CRACKS IN THE FUEL TANK AND FUEL LEAKAGE.
When a Safety Recall is ordered, in this case - NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 91V110000, the manufacturer is required to do the recall at no cost to the vehicle owner, period. No expiration dates apply, at least that I can can find.
The NHTSA web site recall information page - Vehicle Owners | Safercar -- National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) Go the the "Recall FAQ's" about half way down the left column.
Here are a few quotes regarding safety recalls from the NHTSA site:
Vehicle Recalls: Frequently Asked Questions
Your car is important to you, and your safety is important to us. But when your vehicle or motor vehicle equipment poses a safety risk to you, your passengers, or other motorists, then it can be recalled.
Find out how to know whether a safety recall has been issued on your car and what to do if you have a vehicle or motor vehicle safety problem.
SAFETY
WHAT’S A RECALL AND WHEN IS IT NECESSARY?
A recall is issued when a manufacturer or NHTSA determines that a vehicle, equipment, car seat, or tire creates an unreasonable safety risk or fails to meet minimum safety standards. Manufacturers are required to fix the problem by repairing it, replacing it, offering a refund, or in rare cases repurchasing the vehicle.
The United States Code for Motor Vehicle Safety (Title 49, Chapter 301) defines motor vehicle safety as “the performance of a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment in a way that protects the public against unreasonable risk of accidents occurring because of the design, construction, or performance of a motor vehicle, and against unreasonable risk of death or injury in an accident, and includes nonoperational safety of a motor vehicle.” A defect includes “any defect in performance, construction, a component, or material of a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment.” Generally, a safety defect is defined as a problem that exists in a motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment that:
•
poses a risk to motor vehicle safety, and
•
may exist in a group of vehicles of the same design or manufacture, or items of equipment of the same type and manufacture.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO ME?
When your vehicle, equipment, car seat, or tire is subject to a recall, a safety defect has been identified that affects you. NHTSA monitors each safety recall to make sure owners receive safe, free, and effective remedies from manufacturers according to the Safety Act and Federal regulations. If there is a safety recall, your manufacturer will fix the problem free of charge.
HOW WILL I KNOW IF THERE’S A RECALL?
If you have registered your vehicle, your manufacturer will notify you if there’s a safety recall by sending you a letter in the mail. Please do your part and make sure your vehicle registration is up-to-date, including your current mailing address.
You can also sign up to receive from NHTSA e-mail recall notifications affecting your make and model; download the Safercar mobile app for iPhones or Safercar mobile app for Androids to have recall alerts sent to your phone; or subscribe to RSS feeds about safety-related recalls for child restraints, vehicles and tires.
Manufacturers are obligated to attempt to notify owners of recalled products. For vehicles, that means manufacturers merge their own vehicle purchase records with current State vehicle registration information. For equipment, where State registration records do not exist, manufacturers are obligated to notify their distribution chain and known purchasers of the recalled equipment. However, even if you do not receive a notification, if your vehicle, child restraint, or other item of equipment is involved in a safety recall, the manufacturer is obligated to provide a free remedy.
Recall Order info:
FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE:STORAGE:TANK ASSEMBLY Recall for 1984 LAND CRUISER TOYOTA Auto Recalls - Justia Car & Truck Recalls
TOYOTA LAND CRUISER 1984: FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE:STORAGE:TANK ASSEMBLY
Make : TOYOTA Model : LAND CRUISER Year : 1984
Build Dates : 1980-09-01 - 1989-12-01
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 91V110000
Date Owner's Notified: 1991-07-12 Date Received by ODI: 1991-06-26 Date Added to Database: 1991-06-28
Manufacturers Involved: Toyota Motor Corporation
Manufacturer's Responsible for the Recall:
Manufacturer Campaign Number:
Component: FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE:STORAGE:TANK ASSEMBLY
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 38500
Summary:
Consequence:
FUEL LEAKAGE CAN LEAD TO FIRE WHEN NEAR AN IGNITIONSOURCE.
Remedy:
REPLACE THE FUEL TANK WITH AN IMPROVED TANK.
Report Initiator: ODI V Report
Regulation Part Number: Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard Number:
Notes:
SYSTEM: FUEL TANK ASSEMBLY.VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: MULTI-PURPOSE VEHICLE.DESCRIPITON OF DEFECT: CERTAIN HIGH TEMPERATURES AND LOADING EFFECTSCAN CREATE HIGH PRESSURE IN THE FUEL TANK. THE RESULTANT STRESS CANCAUSE EXCESSIVE LOAD TO THE FUEL TANK SEPARATOR WELD ATTACHMENTS TO THE INTERIOROF THE TANK, WHICH CAN RESULT IN CRACKS IN THE FUEL TANK AND FUEL LEAKAGE.
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I'm in the same boat: My FJ62 did not have the tank done. Called dealer, stated none available. Called Toyota and initially, they said they didn't care. Really, the guy stated nothing they can do. Not to let this die down, I called a few weeks later and literally said " this is your last opportunity to remedy the situation before I lawyer up." Guy then said he'd call me back. Received a call back the other day and guy states they can't do the recall as there are no more new tanks available but someone will call me with a buy back offer in 4 business day's. Still waiting, maybe will hear from them today.
1. What are our options here boys? and girls
I really just want it fixed.
2. How much did they offer you?
3. Did anyone ever have a different outcome from all of this?
1. What are our options here boys? and girls
I really just want it fixed.2. How much did they offer you?
3. Did anyone ever have a different outcome from all of this?
If in that situation, and I am sure it will happen one day or another, I would suggest that they pay me the cost of a replacement tank and find an aftermarket fuel cell that will fit. Doubt they would bite at first glance but they can not force you to let them buy back the truck but you have leverage as they have no solution left to repair the truck. I do not know the exact law of the situation. Hope the OP comes back with some info as well.
I decided to call NHTSA today to see what they had to say about a situation like this - No recall replacement parts available - and it was an interesting call.
1) A recall like this one - Safety recall of fuel tank, never expires.
2) A manufacturer must make the parts available for at least 10 years after the recall is announced, but is still required to satisfy the recall until all vehicles listed in the recall have been repaired, bought back, or are off the road.
3) Even if no replacement parts are available, the manufacture has a legal obligation to make the repair or offer solutions to satisfy the recall requirements. These may include:
A) Buy back vehicle - Owner has no obligation to accept this.
B) Manufacturer can buy/pay for and have installed an aftermarket part that satisfies the recall requirement
C) Used parts, that meet the recall standard, may be used if available, and would be paid for by the manufacturer - Owner has no obligation to accept this
"B" sounds good to me and I would pursue that option, with "C" a distant second.
The person I spoke to at NHTSA said to call Toyota and tell them you want the recall satisfied and want to keep your vehicle. It is up to Toyota how to satisfy the recall with those stipulations.
You can call the NHTSA recall hotline at 1-888327-2361
1) A recall like this one - Safety recall of fuel tank, never expires.
2) A manufacturer must make the parts available for at least 10 years after the recall is announced, but is still required to satisfy the recall until all vehicles listed in the recall have been repaired, bought back, or are off the road.
3) Even if no replacement parts are available, the manufacture has a legal obligation to make the repair or offer solutions to satisfy the recall requirements. These may include:
A) Buy back vehicle - Owner has no obligation to accept this.
B) Manufacturer can buy/pay for and have installed an aftermarket part that satisfies the recall requirement
C) Used parts, that meet the recall standard, may be used if available, and would be paid for by the manufacturer - Owner has no obligation to accept this
"B" sounds good to me and I would pursue that option, with "C" a distant second.
The person I spoke to at NHTSA said to call Toyota and tell them you want the recall satisfied and want to keep your vehicle. It is up to Toyota how to satisfy the recall with those stipulations.
You can call the NHTSA recall hotline at 1-888327-2361
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Great work, thanks for doing this. Quick question: If the owner rejects the buy back (which is the only thing they are offering right now), can we still ask them to replace with an aftermarket unit, or does their buy back offer constitute enough in the eyes of the NHTSA and once we reject it they are free of the obligation for the recall?
Thanks Doug720. I will pursue this. Here's the update: Guy from Toyota Corporate called 10 minutes ago stated I needed to take it down to local Toyota and have them certify that it wasn't done and then they would do the buyback offer. Since I'm not into the buyback, at all, I will do what Doug said in "B" I will ask them to satisfy the recall sans the buyback and see what happens. I'll keep you all posted.
I'd rather keep my spare where it is, I'm a purist at heart. But will consider the spare on top if they go for that option.
I'd rather keep my spare where it is, I'm a purist at heart. But will consider the spare on top if they go for that option.