ARCHIVE 100 Series Coil Over Conversion Kit

[lt1fire]

If you do all the labor and fab yourself, of course it's going to be less. But, there's not a lot of self-done SAS trucks showing up here either.

I think we would see quite a few more if someone came out with a kit. There are kits out there to SAS most other rigs just not ours.

If someone could package a parts kit for us (arms mounts, etc) for the most common axles used (80 series fronts) then i'd imagine they would sell fairly well.

 

[Newps]

What about extending the stock A-arms like these guys did. See Dezertrangers.com forum post:

Budget Long Travel

Then get some aftermarket axles:

Longfield Toyota Inner Axle Shafts

I am trying to understand this. I see the link for the inner axle shafts but am not understanding how they will work with our stock cv axles. We wound need a 2" or 3" longer center section shaft for our stock cv axles...no?

Are there other options as well? Is the new 200 LC or Tundra stock cv axles longer then our stock ones? Pulling apart CV axles is a mess PITA, a plug and play solution would be much better.

 

[SALTY METHODS]

I am trying to understand this. I see the link for the inner axle shafts but am not understanding how they will work with our stock cv axles. We wound need a 2" or 3" longer center section shaft for our stock cv axles...no?

Are there other options as well? Is the new 200 LC or Tundra stock cv axles longer then our stock ones? Pulling apart CV axles is a mess PITA, a plug and play solution would be much better.

If im understanding what youre saying correctly, yes. We would need longer front axles.

Not sure. They might be longer which might work if they are. What makes that mod "simple" for that 4runner is that they can simply use stock T100 axles. They plug and play. Their might be something availabe like that for ours, like you said with a Tundra or 200 series.

 

[KOR metal FAB]

Here are what the new batch of arms look like in gun metal metallic. On the shelf ready to ship

 

[MTKID]

Thanks for coming back! Have you had any feedback on the first one installed? I assume someone came to you with this request for their cruiser or a shop truck? How is it rolling?

 

[Biga27110]

Thanks for coming back! Have you had any feedback on the first one installed? I assume someone came to you with this request for their cruiser or a shop truck? How is it rolling?

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[Somebodyelse5]

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[KOR metal FAB]

Thanks for coming back! Have you had any feedback on the first one installed? I assume someone came to you with this request for their cruiser or a shop truck? How is it rolling?

The owner of the prototype LC has really abused his rig and had many positive things to say. He texted me " suspension works great, nobody can keep up!" He also recently took Mojave Road from Barstow to Laughlin. He is going to be sending video, which I will post up here. I have been really busy on the other side of the shop with race preparations on several vehicles for the Mint 400 desert race. I will be back on here more frequently to answer any questions and post up some of the new products we are working on.

 

[Biga27110]

The owner of the prototype LC has really abused his rig and had many positive things to say. He texted me " suspension works great, nobody can keep up!" He also recently took Mojave Road from Barstow to Laughlin. He is going to be sending video, which I will post up here. I have been really busy on the other side of the shop with race preparations on several vehicles for the Mint 400 desert race. I will be back on here more frequently to answer any questions and post up some of the new products we are working on.

Any updates? Videos? My money is waiting this is something im interested in buying.

 

[Trist]

Don't have the money now, but am definitely interested for the future. An SAS would be cool, but the coil overs seem more fitting.

 

[JackAttack13]

Just out of curiosity would it be possible to spec another manufacturer of shock? I am all for King Resi's but if you could spec a non-resi Radflo or Fox, that might drop the price quite a bit. Kings are bad ass, but I don't think I would ever use them to their potential.

 

[DirtDawg]

Just out of curiosity would it be possible to spec another manufacturer of shock? I am all for King Resi's but if you could spec a non-resi Radflo or Fox, that might drop the price quite a bit. Kings are bad ass, but I don't think I would ever use them to their potential.

IMO that price difference would be negligible. Check their pricing back in this thread. They are apparently mighty proud of their fab work and it shows in the pricing. Their fabbed pieces are more expensive than the average for similar options from other companies (different platforms obviously).

Unfortunately this high price with negligible travel increase is the main deterrent for most people on the forum, that and the fact that they haven’t really followed up with the product. No videos, no example of use on a truck yet even though they claim to have someone running the kit. Why isn’t that guy on mud raving about his coilover’d 100? Why aren’t there any videos? If they really wanted to sell kits they would be promoting more.

Unfortunately I believe this is a dead end in terms of coilover conversion and a “mid-travel” kit (NOT long travel). The cost just doesn’t justify the reward.

 

[Somebodyelse5]

IMO that price difference would be negligible. Check their pricing back in this thread. They are apparently mighty proud of their fab work and it shows in the pricing. Their fabbed pieces are more expensive than the average for similar options from other companies (different platforms obviously).

Unfortunately this high price with negligible travel increase is the main deterrent for most people on the forum, that and the fact that they haven’t really followed up with the product. No videos, no example of use on a truck yet even though they claim to have someone running the kit. Why isn’t that guy on mud raving about his coilover’d 100? Why aren’t there any videos? If they really wanted to sell kits they would be promoting more.

Unfortunately I believe this is a dead end in terms of coilover conversion and a “mid-travel” kit (NOT long travel). The cost just doesn’t justify the reward.

I agree. But, I also don't know why everyone is dancing around this, there CANNOT be any increase in travel if they did not address the CV angles. They did not change the kinematics of the system. Full droop and full bump are identical.

 

[JackAttack13]

IMO that price difference would be negligible. Check their pricing back in this thread. They are apparently mighty proud of their fab work and it shows in the pricing. Their fabbed pieces are more expensive than the average for similar options from other companies (different platforms obviously).

Unfortunately this high price with negligible travel increase is the main deterrent for most people on the forum, that and the fact that they haven’t really followed up with the product. No videos, no example of use on a truck yet even though they claim to have someone running the kit. Why isn’t that guy on mud raving about his coilover’d 100? Why aren’t there any videos? If they really wanted to sell kits they would be promoting more.

Unfortunately I believe this is a dead end in terms of coilover conversion and a “mid-travel” kit (NOT long travel). The cost just doesn’t justify the reward.

I agree, their lower arms look to be about 1k more than competing fab shops, which already prices their kit a bit out of the market. As for price on shocks, yeah a set of non-resi Radflos are about 950.00 to 1100 max. So that right there is almost 500 bucks cheaper than the remote resi kings. If the lower arms were priced at a comparable 1100 to 1200 bucks, and then throw in some Rads for say 1k, the price of the kit as a whole would drop to a reasonable price.

I also find it a bit strange that the person running the original kit never gave pictures to show it off. If I dropped that kind of loot on a rig, and the prototype worked out well, I sure as hell would want the community to know. I kept reading through this thread hoping to come across a video or more then initial install pics.

 

[JackAttack13]

I agree. But, I also don't know why everyone is dancing around this, there CANNOT be any increase in travel if they did not address the CV angles. They did not change the kinematics of the system. Full droop and full bump are identical.

They did bring up the CV angles and being forced to use a diff drop bracket, which is where they gain the 1" droop without risking the binding of the CV's. And they did say they increased UP travel as well, so yeah it makes sense to me. Also, it is possible to gain travel with upper arms and longer shocks, it is done all the time in other models. I put longer Radflo Coilovers and an SPC Light Racing Upper Arms kit on my Xterra and gained 2 inches of down travel without new CVs. So yes it is possible. Things may wear more quickly or have a higher risk of binding, that is for sure. But just a risk you take when playing with IFS suspensions.

 

[Somebodyelse5]

They did bring up the CV angles and being forced to use a diff drop bracket, which is where they gain the 1" droop without risking the binding of the CV's. And they did say they increased UP travel as well, so yeah it makes sense to me. Also, it is possible to gain travel with upper arms and longer shocks, it is done all the time in other models. I put longer Radflo Coilovers and an SPC Light Racing Upper Arms kit on my Xterra and gained 2 inches of down travel without new CVs. So yes it is possible. Things may wear more quickly or have a higher risk of binding, that is for sure. But just a risk you take when playing with IFS suspensions.

I should have clarified that I meant the "CV angle issue", the point I am trying to make is that their kit doesn't increase travel over the current offerings from OME. The limiting factors have not been addressed. After you do the diff drop, you have maxed the down travel. Unless you extend axles and LCA, there is no way to get droop any lower. As far as up travel goes, it may very well be done in other models but on the 100 specifically, where did these guys magically stuff the tire that everyone else missed? (And they aren't running glass fenders) Because at full bump, with 34" tires, SPC UCA's, Slee diff drop, and OME torsion bars, up travel is not limited by the shocks or the UCA... the tire has no where to go

 

[DirtDawg]

I should have clarified that I meant the "CV angle issue", the point I am trying to make is that their kit doesn't increase travel over the current offerings from OME. The limiting factors have not been addressed. After you do the diff drop, you have maxed the down travel. Unless you extend axles and LCA, there is no way to get droop any lower. As far as up travel goes, it may very well be done in other models but on the 100 specifically, where did these guys magically stuff the tire that everyone else missed? (And they aren't running glass fenders) Because at full bump, with 34" tires, SPC UCA's, Slee diff drop, and OME torsion bars, up travel is not limited by the shocks or the UCA... the tire has no where to go

You are correct in your statement. The fender becomes the limiter and makes that travel useless. I was mainly speaking in overall range of travel neglecting the fender as I believe someone will come out with an aftermarket fender at some point. I might know a guy

 

[Somebodyelse5]

You are correct in your statement. The fender becomes the limiter and makes that travel useless. I was mainly speaking in overall range of travel neglecting the fender as I believe someone will come out with an aftermarket fender at some point. I might know a guy

But in all seriousness, I am not sure that the 100 could accept any more up travel without extending axles... look at where the bump stop is, they'd need to do some creative stuff to get around the engine cradle (idk, wtf do you call that bit inboard of the bump?)

 

[DirtDawg]

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But in all seriousness, I am not sure that the 100 could accept any more up travel without extending axles... look at where the bump stop is, they'd need to do some creative stuff to get around the engine cradle (idk, wtf do you call that bit inboard of the bump?)

More clearance at the arm around the mounting/bump area would net more uptravel. Regardless, it doesn’t appear that they’ve done that so I agree with your claims. Edit: looking at the pics it looks like they made the lowers so that they could utilize that space more wisely, but still don’t know if it’s as much as they are claiming.

But all this is just speculation as they have not posted up any other info/pics/vids and have basically been MIA.

 

[Somebodyelse5]

More clearance at the arm around the mounting/bump area would net more uptravel. Regardless, it doesn’t appear that they’ve done that so I agree with your claims.

But all this is just speculation as they have not posted up any other info/pics/vids and have basically been MIA.

Hey, I like speculating, and arguing on the internet