Yep - looks like you'd be good to mount the PS pump on that head
IIRC the alt mounts to a bracket that bolts across the water pump. You can kind of see it in this pic:
Here is the lower part of the bracket, looks like it has it's own holes
Tucker
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IIRC the alt mounts to a bracket that bolts across the water pump. You can kind of see it in this pic:Here is the lower part of the bracket, looks like it has it's own holes
Tucker
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Yep - looks like you'd be good to mount the PS pump on that head
For the record, I didn't state any of that in an "I told you so" tone, because it's obvious I don't know my arse from a whole in the ground even elbow deep, when it comes to this. (Yeah, I know that visual is going to scar.)
Still can't say that the PS orientation for anything but the PS pump might work for a 3FE pump on later 2F head and early 2F block, but working on it.
Don't think a 3FE AC mount will work on the early 2F block, unless it's utilizes motor mount attachment points, working on that too.
The DS alternator could use either the 1F alternator bracket or the 2F smog pump with modification.....I think.
I don't know.....
Edit: I do want to add, that I enjoy looking at all the motors and parts. I just get lost sometimes.
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Hell, I stay lost as a personal preference.....
Are you running that AC compressor? I am trying to figure if I can fit that 3FE AC compressor on my 3FE in my Pig...
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If the mounting bracket works and the compressor fits, that's the consideration.
Attempting to source the 3FE PS and AC mounting brackets from a part out, to monkey with, then relocate alternator to the DS, possible using the later 2F power steering pump or a reworked smog pop.
If the 3FE mounting orientation doesn't work, twill opt for the motor mount variation, but would have to step outside of OE, plus cobble up brackets to fit the PS pump and alternator.
Thinking it'll all look a lot like this...
My question to you is, why wouldn't a 3FE compressor fit on your 3FE?
careful with those smog pops, co is a killer when you suck on it too much
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Meh, all the kandy kidz luv 'em.
Because it is now in a 55? I think the AC mount ties into motor mount?
I think motor mount has to hybrid of 3FE & 55 to fit...
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Hmmm.
I thought the 3FE mount was a "bolt on" affair.
Seems logical to adapt to the later compressor, if hybridizing mounts, regardless, but I was under the impression it was a straight swap.
The issue you run into is the stock AC compressor mounts to the PS motor mount, which you can't use (1 3/4" short)MMW68 fabbed up a bracket to mount a york compressor up high on the PS on his which he ran with the vintage A/C unit. This is where the PS pump resides if you're using the stock setup ....
Good luck!
Tucker
I don't know what to tell you man, the mounts were too short when I tried them. It wasn't by a little either ... here is what I made work:
That PS is longer than the stock 3F mount with the AC mount, the DS still had to be slotted because it was too short. Maybe he had FJ80 mounts or something, mine were out of a '89 FJ62.
Tucker
That PS is longer than the stock 3F mount with the AC mount, the DS still had to be slotted because it was too short. Maybe he had FJ80 mounts or something, mine were out of a '89 FJ62.
Tucker
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I sure don't know.
Hoping to get my hands on both the 3FE PS and compressor mounts, already have the early 2F AC motor mount, OE smog pump bracket, OE alternator arm, and a late 2F power steering pump mount.
Surely out of all of those, something will work out...
There are compressor options for the 55 specific AC orientation along with the later PS pump and resi/alternator.
Since I have none to look at, can only base on reads and pics, but figure if I can't go wrong with multiple options.
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Oh boy... Will you figure this all out for me since it looks like you are working quicker than I am?
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So, am I wrong in thinking you could just make the bottom bracket, that bolts to the frame. Then use the 3f motor mounts.
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It seems odd from the perspective that a few have noted no issues, yet the bracket is clearly shorter.
Regardless, after a quick glance this morning, I'm not certain that using the 55 PS mount with provisions for AC compressor, may not be the better solution, still running the power steering above....all IF it will fit.
Leaves alternator for DS, but to run in the smog pump spot seems asking for issues in the rain.
The original idea of tapping the block for the 3F alternator mount sounded good, but appears to leave a plug behind, so really not sure that it's an option.
Hoping to get an idea of how much different the welded frame mounts are, then exploring that as a possibility, since the cross member has to modify, it might be a good time to "do it right."
If only I knew what "do it right" meant.
Last of the puzzle pieces from Onur, except the H55.
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I'm sure that could be done, stock is riveted but welds would work
Tucker
Am I over thinking this?
Have a missed the forest for the trees regarding the importance of either using a 3FE AC compressor or 3FE alternator, both in a 3FE configuration?
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A dumb question, I realize....
I've yet to run by the advisory committee, but to me, if utilizing the 3FE power steering pump and AC, which requires using the 3FE PS motor mount, is the goal, it seems a shame to not rework the frame mount.
It's a hours worth of work, if reusing a 62 mount, or possibly two hours fabbing anew.
That leaves mounting the 3FE alternator as the next hurdle, and I'm not real sure what is exactly going on here, but appears this water pump (GMB, I'm assuming) has provisions for done type of armature.