The Great ONSC Gun Thread

[jfz80]

10 22's would work

or 10/22 plus cash.... no tactical models Perhaps a takedown if synthetic stock but
Prefer wood , ss barrel if allowed to be picky. xtra goodies are always nice

 

[Rice]

10 22's would work

or 10/22 plus cash.... no tactical models Perhaps a takedown if synthetic stock but
Prefer wood , ss barrel if allowed to be picky. xtra goodies are always nice

I'll take it.

 

[Rice]

I hate to talk bad about an NC based company but I'd have to bold that "for the money" part talking about Del-Ton. They're in the bottom 1/3rd. (Del-ton, Bushmaster, Palmetto State, DPMS, etc.) for that $800-$1000 range you can get into the middle 1/3rd that is bet your life on reliable. (Colt, BCM, Daniel Defense). Top 1/3rd I'd call it would be competition/specialty.

Hard to beat a Colt that is as close to military issue as a civillan can easily buy for $850...
Colt LE 6920 at G and R Tactical

or $725 if you want to add your own stock and handguard..
Colt LE6920 OEM2 at G and R Tactical

Sean,

Is G&R Tactical where you order from? Their prices look really good. (@jfz80 .... $658 FOR A p30)

 

[jfz80]

how come i feel tricked LOL
its yours ..... ill bring it with me if i make it north today

Dangit. Stop posting good deals. You know I'm a sucker and now I got my eyes on yet another object of lust

 

[SeanLX]

[/QUOTE] Is G&R Tactical where you order from? Their prices look really good. (@jfz80 .... $658 FOR A p30)[/QUOTE]

Yep, I've ordered from them before. Really good to deal with. Sponsors and a great reputation on M4carbine.net. (great place to spend hours learning)

 

[NCFJ]

I figured that this would best be discussed in this thread. I have been in and out of the house all day tending to a sick hound. Between the news on the radio in the shop and the news on the tube in the house there is a lot of talk about gun control, the usual rhetoric on gun control.

What I hear nothing about is the sociology behind these events. Terrorists come to mind quickly for most people, but a great majority are home grown folks, snapping for one reason or another. So what is the common denominator with many of these shootings?

Common sense tells me that in order to go out and shoot complete strangers for whatever the agenda is, this person is not what the main stream would call mentally stable. Yet it is not PC to speak out loud about someone’s mental stability. So how do we combat this?

I am all for strict permitting laws for purchasing a gun. If you are a solid citizen you are fine. This is only a band aide though as it may make getting a weapon legally tougher it will not slow down black market firearms. But the things so many talking heads on broadcast news are missing comes back to the motivating factors behind the action.

So barring terrorist on a suicide mission, what makes these folks turn to killing innocents? I think it is a cultural thing, not so much a gun culture thing though. They rarely find out that these shooters are life long duck hunters or competition shooters. They are average folks that happen to come to the conclusion that shooting a bunch of people is somehow part of the solution to their problems. Acquiring the guns to do this is tooling up for the job to them?

This thought line also lends itself to being off because it is trying to apply logic to a totally illogical situation. There have always been mass killings, but we have had more than one a day this year.

Did you know that there were 4 people shot in GA yesterday?

 

[JohnVee]

...They rarely find out that these shooters are life long duck hunters or competition shooters.

...Did you know that there were 4 people shot in GA yesterday?

1. Good point
2. No

My guns have never been used in a crime. One of them was used to possibly save my life once; it wasn't fired, but it was pressed as deep into my assailant's stomach as it could go before he realized I wasn't kidding. Fncker saved me a lot of money by running away that night.

 

[roadstr6]

So barring terrorist on a suicide mission, what makes these folks turn to killing innocents? I think it is a cultural thing, not so much a gun culture thing though. They rarely find out that these shooters are life long duck hunters or competition shooters. They are average folks that happen to come to the conclusion that shooting a bunch of people is somehow part of the solution to their problems. Acquiring the guns to do this is tooling up for the job to them?

I don't think these folks are looking for a solution. I believe these folks have made up their mind that their road has run out and they are ready to die. They see their own lives as crap anyway. Going out in a blaze of glory by killing innocents on their way down is their way of making their mark and showing everyone just how pissed off they were at life or how true they were to their particular cause. There's not much you can do with a person like that. An otherwise healthy person who is mentally ready to die at any moment is a dangerous thing. Years ago these situations mostly ended in regular plain-old suicide and it was sad. Nowadays with social media offering an instant outlet for fame and notoriety (even in death), people feel compelled to make their final impression on the rest of us. Killing innocents seems to be the method of choice. The fact that many of these terrorists and terror-type killers of innocents are wearing go-pros says a lot.

 

[elkaholic]

1. Good point
2. No

My guns have never been used in a crime. One of them was used to possibly save my life once; it wasn't fired, but it was pressed as deep into my assailant's stomach as it could go before he realized I wasn't kidding. Fncker saved me a lot of money by running away that night.

I am convinced that I am above ground because I was carrying one of John Browning's designs on two different occasions as a civilian .... Brings a whole new perspective to armed citizenry ...

 

[roadstr6]

I have a CC permit and do carry sometimes but not as much as I'd like to. My employer has a no firearm policy on all of their properties. I cannot even have a firearm locked in my car in the parking lot for fear of losing my job. Parking my car blocks away and leaving it unattended with a handgun inside does not appeal to me. This limits my ability to carry when I need to most, driving to and from work and while at work on the mean streets of Charlotte. Most of my shopping errands are run on my way home from work so I go unprotected. I am mostly a home body. If I'm not working I am relaxing at home where I don't feel the need to have a firearm on my person (although there is always one or more accessible). On the rare occasion that I leave the house for some place other than work, I do carry. I am in the camp that believes that much of the carnage as a result of these recent terrorist attacks could be avoided or at least limited if there had been a law abiding CC citizen there to offer some resistance. Unless my employer changes their position regarding firearms, I will just have to duck and pray if ever the SHTF.

Edit: What's the deal with Senate Bill 708? Anybody know if that would apply in my particular example? Any chance this bill becomes law?

 

[Rice]

M-loc or Keymod for the AR?

 

[elkaholic]

Dave, my current employer has a similar rule and our office is in a not so good part of town. I actually am in violation of policy with my small packet knife I always carry.

I have explained they can either grant me a waiver or not expect me to be in the office much after dark ....

 

[NCFJ]

Dave, I think what you said makes a lot of sense. I guess what we really need is a way to identify some of these people and do what we can as a society to help them. Part of the problem seems to be the concern over violation of the rights of those with mental issues merely by investigating them, which in effect "outs" them as having a mental health issue.

There seems to be no clear path, but we must do something as this mass shooting "craze" seems to be growing at an alarming rate.

 

[roadstr6]

I'm not sure it is growing at a increasing rate. I think a lot of it is our perception due to the media sensationalizing these events. Here's my plan for "fixing" the problem...don't watch the news. Carry a weapon when I am able to. Think happy thoughts. Focus on family. Work on my 'cruiser junk.

Getting worked up about this stuff only serves to fan the flames of the bad guys and creates more copycat dip**** terrorists.

 

[NCFJ]

You are a wise man Dave

I am in line with your thoughts, for some reason I am just trying to wrap my head around motivations behind all this.

When it comes to terrorists I do not try to understand. I think that if you truly start understanding you are not all that well yourself. I comprehend their claim to religion, but once they cross the line to radical, religion alone is not enough motivation for killing innocents.

 

[weejub]

Anyone remember in the '80/'90s when "going postal" was the term for these shootings?

Couple of "good reads/listens" about guns in the last few years:

Gun homicides are down:

We’ve had a massive decline in gun violence in the United States. Here’s why.
Gun homicides steady after decline in ’90s; suicide rate edges up

Analysis from Freakonomics on the economic ability to control guns from a practical standpoint - this is a "must listen to" for gun enthusiasts and those wanting to control guns:

Freakonomics » How to Think About Guns: A New Freakonomics Radio Podcast

A couple of these are too liberal for my liking, but they are all interesting. It is important that we examine all viewpoints to be able to debate the issue:

81: Guns

 

[weejub]

M-loc or Keymod for the AR?

Still no clear winner, but most of boutique shops are using Keymod and Magpul produces MLok.

 

[Rice]

Will post a follow up pic when she's all sexy ...

 

[weejub]

When she is all dun and redy, we need to shootz sum stuff up!!

 

[Rice]

When she is all dun and redy, we need to shootz sum stuff up!!

Agreed. @jfz80 and I can come that way since the GSO area doesn't have much to offer. Perhaps an informal "club" gathering that begins with a few hundred hot rounds followed by a few cold rounds.