The Great ONSC Gun Thread
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Sweet!!
Parker and his glock
Parker sent me this picture of himself practicing his stance with his new glock. Disgusting!
Parker sent me this picture of himself practicing his stance with his new glock. Disgusting!
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If you mean dryfire practice then it's not needed for a Glock. However I love them for practice. I like to have someone randomly put one in my mags when shooting to simulate a misfire.
good to know. Most of what i read said the dry fire in the GLock is perfectly fine. However, there is always the one guy saying "i ruined mine doing this". Snapcaps sound fun though, so i will pick some up anyway.
X2.
If a Glock failed due to dry firing, it would fail in real firing. No more wear than normal use on the trigger parts and firing pin.
Putting a "dud" round in the mags is a great way to work on misfires as well as watching for "flinching" when firing...
what about putting a live round in a mag full of duds?
To include the famous 9mm vs .45 vs .40 argument, what is the best combat handgun on the market right now? Feel free to include your personal experience and preference. I am in the market for one and am leaning towards the Sig P226 in 9mm or 220 in .45. Thoughts?
^ good lord. Do you know what you have started?
I like most sigs and I really like the Smith and Wesson MP series
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x2 duck. Big ole can of worms right there. Its kinda like saying what is the best rifle caliber for deer. Not sure there is a true answer.
I used to back the 40 but have since switched to the 9mm. I do think sticking to the big 3 you mentioned is the way to go and honestly don't think you could really go wrong with any of them.
For me (and lets be clear I am saying for me and not everyone else), I prefer the 9mm. Generally the best gun is the one you are able to be most accurate with. First shot accuracy is not that hard, but for me my second shot accuracy and follow up shots are just better with a 9mm. And the added magazine capacity is a big plus for me as well. Again, this is what works for me and everyone is different. Just my $0.02
Agreed. I love my 9mm
Whatever causes the most internal disruption with the best reliability and accuracy that you can handle. Stuff is built so well now that there is no clear answer. Ammunition is so much different than it once was, too. But, how about you say no hollow points, just military ball? Nice twist, eh?
--john
--john
.45 ACP is where it's at, but I still love 10mm. We got to field test some MP10s back in the 90s and I fell in love with that round. My next addition will be either a Colt Delta Elite or Kimber Eclipse II in 10.
On a side note, I got my MKIV Series 80 back from new hammer, sear and disconnector. Thanks Michael !
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On a side note, I got my MKIV Series 80 back from new hammer, sear and disconnector. Thanks Michael !
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I've never been in combat so I can't venture an opinion based on the question.
What I can tell you is what I have learned over the years. On size does NOT fit all. If it feels right in your hand and you can shoot consistant groups with it, that gun is the best for you.
What I can tell you is what I have learned over the years. On size does NOT fit all. If it feels right in your hand and you can shoot consistant groups with it, that gun is the best for you.
Like. Let us know how it shoots.
General Julian Hatcher, a noted forensic pathologist, in the early 1900’s developed a good formula to determine the theoretical stopping power of a firearm cartridge. His formula has withstood the test of time and validation from other studies and data related to stopping power.
You want a handgun cartridge that has a Hatcher value of over 50 for the most effective stopping power. Values over 55 have diminishing returns in that you don’t gain any significant increase in stopping power for the extra recoil and control you must cope with. Handgun cartridges that don’t make a value of at least 50, should not considered for self-defense. If the rating of your handgun cartridge is under 30, it only has about a 30% chance of producing a one shot stop. Hatcher Ratings of 30 to 49 raise a one shot stop to approximately a 50% chance. Ratings of 50 or higher produce a one shot stop about 90% of the time.
Handgun Cartridge Type ..................... Hatcher Rating
.45 ACP full metal jacket 230 grain .......... 49.1
.45 ACP jacketed hollow point 230 grain ...... 60.7
.44 Magnum full metal jacket 240 grain ....... 92.3
*.44 Magnum lead wad cutter 240 grain ......... 136.8
.44 Special full metal jacket 240 grain ...... 51.6
*.44 Special lead wad cutter 240 grain ............. 76.5
.41 Magnum full metal jacket 230 grain ............. 54
*.41 Magnum lead wad cutter 230 grain .............. 80
10 millimeter full metal jacket 180 grain .......... 50.3
10 millimeter jacketed hollow point 180 grain ..62.1
.40 S&W full metal jacket flat nose 180 grain ...... 53.4
.40 S&W jacketed hollow point 180 grain ....... 59.4
.38 Special full metal jacket 158 grain ...... 26.7
*.38 Special lead wad cutter 158 grain ............. 39.7
**.357 Magnum full metal jacket 158 grain ..... 32.7
**.357 Magnum lead wad cutter 158 grain ............ 48.5
.357 SIG full metal jacket 147 grain ................ 36.6
.357 SIG jacketed hollow point 147 grain ..... 45.2
9 millimeter full metal jacket 147 grain ............ 32.3
9 millimeter jacketed hollow point 147 grain ... 39.9
.380 Auto jacketed hollow point 95 grain ..... 18.3
.32 Auto jacketed hollow point 71 grain ...... 11.1
.25 Auto jacketed hollow point 50 grain ...... 3.7
.22 Long Rifle jacketed hollow point 40 grain ... 4.2
* Jacketed hollow points will have the same rating as wad cutter bullets if the bullet hollow tip is greater than 1/2 of the caliber of the bullet.
* .357 Magnum ratings are taken from a firearm with a 3 inch barrel. Longer barrels will raise the rating of the round.
You want a handgun cartridge that has a Hatcher value of over 50 for the most effective stopping power. Values over 55 have diminishing returns in that you don’t gain any significant increase in stopping power for the extra recoil and control you must cope with. Handgun cartridges that don’t make a value of at least 50, should not considered for self-defense. If the rating of your handgun cartridge is under 30, it only has about a 30% chance of producing a one shot stop. Hatcher Ratings of 30 to 49 raise a one shot stop to approximately a 50% chance. Ratings of 50 or higher produce a one shot stop about 90% of the time.
Handgun Cartridge Type ..................... Hatcher Rating
.45 ACP full metal jacket 230 grain .......... 49.1
.45 ACP jacketed hollow point 230 grain ...... 60.7
.44 Magnum full metal jacket 240 grain ....... 92.3
*.44 Magnum lead wad cutter 240 grain ......... 136.8
.44 Special full metal jacket 240 grain ...... 51.6
*.44 Special lead wad cutter 240 grain ............. 76.5
.41 Magnum full metal jacket 230 grain ............. 54
*.41 Magnum lead wad cutter 230 grain .............. 80
10 millimeter full metal jacket 180 grain .......... 50.3
10 millimeter jacketed hollow point 180 grain ..62.1
.40 S&W full metal jacket flat nose 180 grain ...... 53.4
.40 S&W jacketed hollow point 180 grain ....... 59.4
.38 Special full metal jacket 158 grain ...... 26.7
*.38 Special lead wad cutter 158 grain ............. 39.7
**.357 Magnum full metal jacket 158 grain ..... 32.7
**.357 Magnum lead wad cutter 158 grain ............ 48.5
.357 SIG full metal jacket 147 grain ................ 36.6
.357 SIG jacketed hollow point 147 grain ..... 45.2
9 millimeter full metal jacket 147 grain ............ 32.3
9 millimeter jacketed hollow point 147 grain ... 39.9
.380 Auto jacketed hollow point 95 grain ..... 18.3
.32 Auto jacketed hollow point 71 grain ...... 11.1
.25 Auto jacketed hollow point 50 grain ...... 3.7
.22 Long Rifle jacketed hollow point 40 grain ... 4.2
* Jacketed hollow points will have the same rating as wad cutter bullets if the bullet hollow tip is greater than 1/2 of the caliber of the bullet.
* .357 Magnum ratings are taken from a firearm with a 3 inch barrel. Longer barrels will raise the rating of the round.