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no no marshall you got Wake wrong and maybe USC........ it should have read

Wake Forest (the one hit wonder)
USC (there is always next year)


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The first one yes.
But Clemson fans have earned that title. Heck you guys start saying that halfway through the season. I will say this for CU fans though. Your delusional in a good way. Always thinking it will be next year. Throwing stats about recruits, always saying your gonna win the national title, talking trash about beating a subpar team. Dilusional is good though. Keeps the seats filled. And thats always a good thing. Must be that Hartwell water.
 
Since I went to Winthrop, am I allowed to pull for the team that's better at the moment? Or, would that piss y'all off even more than being a butt about one particular team?

All I'm sayin' is Chris Gardoki (sp?) and Rodney Williams beat the hell out of the Sooners in the '89 Citrus Bowl. Well 13-6 was still a win. OU was supposed to win by two TD's i think.

I was eleven.

Am I talkin' trash right now? I'm new to all of this. It's kind of difficult to learn good trash talkin' skills when the best sporting event you have to choose from in any given year as a college student is Winthrop vs. Radford softball.

We drank lots of Beam though...does that count?

:D


As a Winthrop Eagle myself I say root for whoever Clemson is playing. You will fit right in. Just remember you may get some jabs about being part of a college who had a gay guy as the homecoming Queen.
 
The first one yes.
But Clemson fans have earned that title. Heck you guys start saying that halfway through the season. I will say this for CU fans though. Your delusional in a good way. Always thinking it will be next year. Throwing stats about recruits, always saying your gonna win the national title, talking trash about beating a subpar team. Dilusional is good though. Keeps the seats filled. And thats always a good thing. Must be that Hartwell water.

Richard does not represent all Clemson fans :hillbilly:

so how about this

USC (it just isn't going to happen not matter what legendary coach you buy)
 
As a Winthrop Eagle myself I say root for whoever Clemson is playing. You will fit right in. Just remember you may get some jabs about being part of a college who had a gay guy as the homecoming Queen.

But it's such a diverse campus...

I am sort of a CU fan at heart. My grandparents took me to all the home games between the ages of about 2 and 13. Now, I mostly just drink on Sat. and watch ESPN on Sun.:meh:
 
We might have some illusions of grandeur but we have the best players on the field of any team you listed, and we damn sure fill the seats. Its about twice as many seats as that tiny stadium UNC has that they cant even sell out 1/2 the time.

I like JP's most recent version of USC and I think Va Tech should read more like this.

Va Tech (How Long can the sympathy vote last) or
Va Tech (Playing football to remove that thing from Frank Beamers neck)
 
We might have some illusions of grandeur but we have the best players on the field of any team you listed

If they decide to play together as a team.
 
I like JP's most recent version of USC and I think Va Tech should read more like this.

Va Tech (How Long can the sympathy vote last)

If there is still some sympathy vote out there, I'm sure it will all be gone by 4/16/08, at least I hope so!


Va Tech (Playing football to remove that thing from Frank Beamers neck)

Come on, man. The man survived a fire as a young man! At least bust on him for something he can control! :flipoff2:
 
They dont have to play together to be the best players on the field they have to play together to be the best team on the field. We have been considered one of if not the most talented team in the ACC for the last two years, just didnt put it together.
 
If there is still some sympathy vote out there, I'm sure it will all be gone by 4/16/08, at least I hope so!




Come on, man. The man survived a fire as a young man! At least bust on him for something he can control! :flipoff2:


You have to be kidding if you think theres no sympathy out there still. ESPN is still so far up VT's ass they might as well be PN. You cant watch a VT sporting event without hearing about it repeatedly. And College Gameday opening at VT this yr was the biggest joke I've ever seen, you were playing East Carolina there were probably 10+ better games that weekend even if you did suck it up and keep the game close.
 
We might have some illusions of grandeur but we have the best players on the field of any team you listed, and we damn sure fill the seats. Its about twice as many seats as that tiny stadium UNC has that they cant even sell out 1/2 the time.

I like JP's most recent version of USC and I think Va Tech should read more like this.

Va Tech (How Long can the sympathy vote last) or
Va Tech (Playing football to remove that thing from Frank Beamers neck)

Va Tech had a better record than CU did last year and came out ranked 8 positions higher than you. How is CU better?

It's not twice as many. CU seats 81k UNC currently seats 60k with an expansion of 5-15k coming. But hey even with Clemsons crappy seasons they still will have more fans than UNC on a good streak. We make up for that in basketball.
 
Va Tech had a better record than CU did last year and came out ranked 8 positions higher than you. How is CU better?

hello McFly???

he didn't say Clemson was better than VT record wise or rankings....... he said they had better talent!!!

unfortunately in clemsons case looking good on paper doesn't translate into W's :doh:


plus Marshall factual statements and numbers are for the most part useless in trash talking :flipoff2:
 
Yep...CU has the future all pro Willy Korn and all world Bowers. Not to mention
the fastest man in the history of the world at WR in Ford. I'm sure I've left out some
other world's best but hey I'm a Gamecock I couldn't be expected to know much past rap
sheets. :grinpimp:
After they demolish the Tide to open the season it's on to the MNC.
 
Yep...CU has the future all pro Willy Korn and all world Bowers. Not to mention
the fastest man in the history of the world at WR in Ford. I'm sure I've left out some
other world's best but hey I'm a Gamecock I couldn't be expected to know much past rap
sheets. :grinpimp:
After they demolish the Tide to open the season it's on to the MNC.

what about thunder and lightning??? :D
 
Yep...CU has the future all pro Willy Korn and all world Bowers. Not to mention
the fastest man in the history of the world at WR in Ford. I'm sure I've left out some
other world's best but hey I'm a Gamecock I couldn't be expected to know much past rap
sheets. :grinpimp:
After they demolish the Tide to open the season it's on to the MNC.

This yr its CJ Spiller not Ford since Ford is hurt and cant run track. Literally though, Spiller has the fastest 60m time in the world this yr, in fact I believe he actually has the 2 fastest times in the world not just the first. If you forgot how fast he is just go to the 56 sec mark or the 1:38 mark in this video, youll notice how USC's defenders get outrun by 10+ yards.

YouTube - Clemson's Cj Spiller
 
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Is that shattering glass I hear?

As they say, "those who live in glass houses...."
For your pleasure Richard. :grinpimp:


More trouble for Clemson linebacker Vincent
By Larry Williams (Contact)
The Post and Courier
Friday, March 7, 2008


Courtney Vincent

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Courtney Vincent

CLEMSON — Clemson linebacker Cortney Vincent appears to be in trouble again.

According to multiple sources familiar with the situation, Vincent is facing a possible suspension for the entire spring practice because of a violation of team policy.

Vincent, who will be a senior in the 2008 season, still has charges pending for a December DUI arrest.

He has requested a jury trial that probably won't take place until the summer, according to the Pickens County magistrate's office.

Clemson begins spring practice Saturday. Athletic department spokesman Tim Bourret said all announcements regarding personnel will take place then.

The Tigers' linebacker corps was already thin after the loss of Nick Watkins and Tramaine Billie. Antonio Clay is not on campus for the spring semester, and it's unknown whether he will return for his senior season.

Vincent started all 12 regular-season games at middle linebacker at 2007. He played in the Tigers' Chick-fil-A Bowl loss to Auburn, but he did not start as punishment for the DUI arrest.

On Nov. 10, 2005, Vincent was arrested for simple assault after a fight with his girlfriend on campus. Head coach Tommy Bowden has said those charges were dropped.

Vincent ranked sixth on the team in tackles last season with 68, including seven for loss and two sacks.

Two incoming freshman linebackers won't be available when the Tigers start spring practice. Stanley Hunter is expected to miss at least two weeks for undisclosed reasons. Tarik Rollins is still recovering from a knee injury suffered in high school and is expected to miss most, if not all, of the 15 practices.
 
Sad news out of Clemson.
Ray Ray was such a feel good story. Sad to see it end this way.

Ray Ray finished playing for Tigers
By Larry Williams (Contact)
The Post and Courier
Sunday, March 9, 2008


Former Clemson football player Ray Ray McElrathbey and his brother, Fahmarr.

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Former Clemson football player Ray Ray McElrathbey and his brother, Fahmarr.

CLEMSON — Ray Ray McElrathbey is done with football at Clemson, and a teammate said it's because the Tigers' coaching staff decided not to renew his scholarship for the 2008-09 academic year.

Clemson announced Saturday that McElrathbey, a reserve tailback who gained national fame for taking custody of his younger brother, is no longer with the team. Team spokesman Tim Bourret said McElrathbey, who has two years of football eligibility remaining, will graduate in August and plans to attend graduate school or transfer and play elsewhere.

James Davis, a senior tailback for the Tigers, said McElrathbey told him he didn't have a choice.

"He said something about how they weren't going to renew his scholarship," said Davis, who has been friends with McElrathbey since their high school days in Atlanta. "It really surprised me. But there's a lot of stuff you can't say. It's something I guess everybody has to learn to live with."

McElrathbey, 21, who declined comment Saturday, attracted fame in the fall of 2006 for taking custody of his younger brother, Fahmarr, then 11. Their mother was struggling with a decade-long drug addiction and their father had a gambling problem.

McElrathbey redshirted in 2005 as a defensive back and played sparingly on special teams in 2006 before switching to running back a year ago. He was healthy after spending the past six months rehabilitating an injured knee that forced him to miss last season, and he participated in the team's winter conditioning regimen.

After Clemson wrapped up its first practice of the spring Saturday, which Ray Ray did not participate in, Coach Tommy Bowden did not confirm or deny that he initiated McElrathbey's departure to free up a scholarship. Clemson signed the maximum 25 players in February and is over the 85-scholarship limit mandated by the NCAA.

In addition, the Tigers have a multitude of running backs: Davis, junior C.J. Spiller, and incoming freshmen Jamie Harper and Berkeley's Andre Ellington.

"We're pretty good at running back right now," Bowden said.

Athletic scholarships are renewed on a year-to-year basis. Davis said McElrathbey began to hear whispers about a month ago that his scholarship wouldn't be renewed this summer.

"He knew in his mind they were going to do it," Davis said. "It's hard on him right now. I kind of feel his pain."

McElrathbey had a difficult relationship with his coaches, reportedly because of academic setbacks and spotty attendance at team functions. During spring drills last year, he was suspended for four practices because Bowden said he was "having a tough time juggling academics."

"I'm not sure he can do it at the level that he needs to at both ends," Bowden said at the time.

A sociology major, McElrathbey landed on the honor roll last semester while taking 21 hours, according to Clemson. If he does graduate in August, he'll have received his degree three years after his arrival at Clemson.

In August 2007, a few days before he suffered the season-ending knee injury, McElrathbey groused that his fame forced him to live to a higher standard.

"I'm not what everyone wants me to be," he said. "I'm a 20-year-old that isn't expected to live like other 20-year-olds, and I can't do the things that as a 20-year-old I would normally do. Because everything I do is magnified, changed and looked at differently.

"I have to live up to standards that ... I wouldn't say they're unfair, but they're hard."

In September 2006, the NCAA made McElrathbey an exception to its long-standing rule against extra benefits, allowing him to receive aid in the form of a trust fund set up for Fahmarr, and also daily care provided by the coaches' families. Fahmarr is still in Ray Ray's custody.

McElrathbey was celebrated for his willingness to juggle academics, athletics and parenthood. He was named Person of the Week by ABC's "World News"; he received the Keith Jackson Award of Excellence on the ESPN College Football Awards Show and appeared at the Orange Bowl in Miami to accept the FedEx Orange Bowl-FWAA Courage Award.

Davis said McElrathbey isn't going public with his side of the story because he "doesn't want them to badmouth his name if he wants to play football somewhere else."

Davis wonders whether all this will have negative recruiting repercussions for the Tigers.

"There's a lot of guys they recruit in Atlanta," he said. "People are going to ask: 'What happened to Ray Ray?' His high school (Mays High), they've got a lot of talented guys coming out of there."

Said Bowden: "Graduating in three years with all of his responsibilities will be an outstanding accomplishment. Our staff will help him in his future endeavors, whether it be from a football career or business career standpoint."
 
More poison pen stuff:
Richard will probably want to frame this article. :grinpimp:

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rmorris@thestate.com
(803) 771-8432

A national radio talk show host recently addressed the issue of off-field misconduct among college athletes. He all but called South Carolina a bandit football program, lumping it in with Alabama and Tennessee among the Southeastern Conference schools that most lack discipline.

Unfortunately, this is the growing reputation of the USC program, which again is experiencing a troubling offseason. Academic casualties, possession of marijuana, fights in Five Points. The list of offenses leaves USC with as many as eight players suspended for the start of spring practice.

One wonders when the calamity will ever end. The problems are not unique to USC. Every major college football program in the country is dealing with what is a societal program.

Eric Hyman, USC’s athletics director, likes to relate a story first told by one of his associate athletics directors, Charles Waddell. Growing up in the Piedmont area of North Carolina, Waddell recalls seeing an occasional wino on a street corner.

“They all came up to him and said, ‘Charles, you go to college and you better yourself. You make sure you do that,’” Hyman recalls Waddell saying.

“Today, a young person goes up on a street corner and the person on the corner rubs his hands together and says, ‘Hey, I’ve got the stuff for you.’”

The way Hyman sees it, we live in a society where respect for authority is vanishing, accountability for ones actions is passe and the principles or right and wrong are lost.

That college football players find trouble is a reflection of society. Give USC, as well as other schools, credit for adopting classes and seminars that help steer athletes down a path toward sterling citizenship.

That’s all good and well. But until a couple of fundamental changes are made within the athletics department and more punitive discipline is doled out, we can expect the same kind of shenanigans from USC football players until eternity.

Let’s begin with the recruiting of athletes who have no business being in an institution of higher learning. USC has signed two football players who have been charged with criminal offenses. One is a defensive back who has five criminal charges against him, including three burglary counts related to a string of smash-and-grab incidents at an Atlanta-area rental center. The other is a defensive end from Georgia who has been arrested three times, most recently in August for taking money from teammates’ rooms.

All charges could eventually be dropped against both players. Nevertheless, a pattern of criminal activity should signal to USC coach Steve Spurrier that these are not the kinds of players who can best represent the university.

Spurrier makes the final call on these matters, as does the head coach in every other sport at USC. Since there are more than 500 athletes at USC, Hyman says it would be difficult for the athletics director to determine which athletes should or should not be admitted based on criminal activity.

“A coach in the recruiting process knows a lot more than the athletic director does, and a lot more of the circumstances of why they recruited the individuals,” Hyman says. “They know the consequences for it, so you have vested the authority for coaches to make good judgment calls, good judgment decisions.”

That should change when it comes to dealing with athletes with checkered backgrounds. Change also is needed in dealing with the APR, the NCAA’s measuring stick for academic progress. Coaches are learning to use the APR as a reason for not booting athletes from teams.

Retention rate is an important component of the APR. Athletes who do not graduate or do not remain at a school count against that school’s APR. If a school’s APR falls below a certain level, it could lose scholarships. Already, coaches have said they can’t afford to kick a player off their team for fearing of losing scholarships.

“I don’t think you can use that as an excuse, but it is a factor,” Hyman says of the APR. “Maybe you have to have more leniency than you have in the past because of the retention component.”

In football, a few scholarship losses would have no effect whatsoever. Football’s allotment of 85 scholarships is too fat to begin with.

Finally, it is time for schools such as USC to abandon the “innocent until proven guilty” line of jurisdiction when it concerns its athletes. Athletics departments are not democracies. An athlete receives a scholarship as a privilege, not a right.

If an athlete is involved in any incident, he should face immediate punishment. A second offense should mean a loss of scholarship. The overriding thinking for every athlete should be that he cannot afford to be anywhere near trouble.

When it comes to discipline issues in college athletics, I often am reminded of Dick Sheridan’s tenure at North Carolina State. When he arrived, the Wolfpack had a well-earned reputation as a football team loaded with thugs and misfits.

Sheridan immediately changed the rules, allowing that any football player remotely involved in any wrongdoing off the field would immediately lose his scholarship, no questions asked. Early on, his star receiver failed to leave an on-campus fight. Even though the receiver was not involved in the fight, he was dismissed from the team for one year.

Not surprisingly, the N.C. State football team quickly learned to behave. The program carried a sterling image by the time Sheridan departed after seven seasons.
 
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